The figures aside,Australia visually is of excellent character,cruises in his races,but on every occasion,seems to take a while to find his gear(which is not electric),and then appears to idol. TGG did improve more from the Guineas than Australia, and to be honest I feel whichever one of the two gets the hold up tactics,or whoever makes their move last would be favored,TGG did that last night,and some great race tactics,I do not want to slag JOB to much ,I feel he was under pressure to show Austral;ia to better effect,AOB said his previous run was a practice gallop and he needed the run,everyone was looking for at least a 4 length victory or  to extend the winning margin over TGG. The truth I believe, is that Australia lacks the gears to put himself into good positions,it is all done late in the day,a great horse among his own  generation without doubt,but no superstar.

we all saw yesterday  how not to judge a horse on one run , Muthmir  came into the portland a fresh horse  and showed his true ability
Australia did not show his true  brilliance yesterday. If they were to race again O'brien would sit in behind Moore  and outspeed him in the last furlong,  Kingman style . You have to admire TGG a tremendously enthusiastic and talented Horse .

I doubt they'll send Australia to the Arc or QEII for another beating - more likely Champion Stakes or retirement. Though Coolmore have shown willingness to campaign their Debry winners at 4 - especially when they haven't been able to send them to stud on a high at 3.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with that A_T. I think Australia would beat Kingman in the QE11 and I also think he would win the Arc. I know others would disagree, that's racing, but had I said yesterday TGG would beat Australia others would have disagreed about that, and been wrong.
This years 3 year olds look much better than the older horses so I would fear nothing in the Arc.
My point about TGG not being real top class imo is pointed at AOB. According to him Australia has nothing left to prove and is among the best horses he has trained, or even the best. So I find yesterday's result incongruous with that statement.
In yesterday's race it is clear JOB used his horse up before the final furlong and that allowed RM to nab him because he had saved his horse. My only thought that would assist AOB in his view is that yesterday's race wasn't strong enough or run fast enough throughout. There is a saying that if you go a bad horse's pace a bad horse will beat you so the only answer for me would be to run in a strongly run end to end race where the best horse would prevail. To get that sort of strength in depth he would have to run in the ARC. The Champion Stakes could be another small runner race providing an inadequate result.

I think he idols in-front(would not be on my own with that view)

Concerning taking on kingman,both trainers would now understand both need holding until last possible 12 seconds,kingman got a more natural reaction when asked to quicken?

Australia would have no chance whatsoever of beating Kingman over a mile - just has not got that kind of speed - just as Gosden's horse would not beat it over 10 of 12 furlongs - horses for courses. On paper Aus might have a good chance in the Arc but Aiden has a very poor record in the race with 3yos and he's probably left his best form behind him this year now. Doubt he'll run.

yes brigust,many choices for the horse,but AOB will feel more than a little pressured to find the easier race,the Kingman clash makes no practical sense on that score.He may need some time between races,he looked better physically in juddmonte than at any other point this year including yesterday,which would bother me lots.

I'm not sure he will feel pressured because he must know JOB rode a shocker and RM confirmed it in his comments. The question is whether or not he stays in training. If he does they need not do anything but if they are seriously considering retirement then their next move will be crucial.
Free Eagle was 2/5 to beat him last season and he was well beaten so why would AOB risk that positive mark by taking him on again? Plus JOB has looked vulnerable in a tactical race.
The QE11 would not be tactical and neither would the Arc. He only has one horse to beat in the QE11 and it could be argued he ran out of stamina yesterday. The Arc would be a better race to win but would be more difficult.
I would favour the QE11.

You could be right A_T and I hope you are. ROTW looks to have a right good chance today and then go for either the Arc or the Champion Stakes like last season. Even more reason the QE11 looks a likelihood.

The current crop of UK 2yrlds do not inspire,perhaps this will be taken into account?

Frankie has just said the going in France is good to firm. Perfect for ROTW and Flintshire both I backed in the King George. Looks like get money back time.

Australia would beat Ectot imo.

5/1 that is before I get slaughtered.

Yeehah!!!!