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backing a sequence of losers is an unavoidable aspect of gambling and learning to emotionally manage that is one of the most important things to do ... so, to a certain extent, is overcoming the disappointment of missing a winner but you have more say in that than losing runs
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Losing affects your bank and therefore possibly the way that you play.The longer it goes on the worse it can get. Confidence can be badly affected. Merely missing a winner just leaves you with the same bank. Annoying, agreed, but much easier to handle as it doesn't really affect confidence in the same way that losing does. Imo.
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It's not like for like though is it Sandown, missing one winner or a series of losers ... a bit like comparing what's worse for you, one Burger King meal or a week of eating Macdonalds.
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If it's in the better races, which is where most of my bigger bets are, then I don't care if the market disagrees with my opinion. Since the exchanges, when dealing with the middle and particularly lower grade racing then I've learned from experience that it does matter, especially where certain yards are concerned. I'm not suggesting that the reason is always skulduggery, although sometimes I'm sure it is. At the lower end of the game yards will run their charges more often, whether the horses are ready to run for their lives or not, and I have no doubt that some yards have a better line on when they are and when they're not.
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Fair point figgis, though I rarely find myself having as strong an opinion in low grade racing as higher grade racing especially beyond a mile
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I think that lower grade horses are inherently less consistent and therefore more unpredictable, so making those races more subject to randomness.
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I agree, but judging by market strength/weakness where some connections are concerned I'd say it is less random for some.
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Not surprising that smaller trainers especially, need to gamble. Also, they are more elikely to have smaller ownners who likewise need to gamble.Plus the fact that handicappers probably don't put quite the same effort in to it as they do with better class horses.Add in the fact that horses are run more frquently, and evn without iffy activity, its much harder to make betting pay at that level. Doesn't stop me trying but like you my best results on both Flat and NH are/have been in class races.
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Markets are also harder to read. Lower turnover means larger fluctuations plus a lot of stable money goes over the counter spread around shops so as not to crash prices.
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I'm back, just got in. Had a great week from bouillabaisse in the Port of Marseille to walking around the Monaco F1 circuit. On top of that I won three grand on the Scoop 6 placepot. You could not make it up. How lucky can you get? I haven't read the thread because it's late and I'm tired. G'night.
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Good Morning brigust
 Sounds like you are in the zone,looking forward to some discussions and right now some of your fancies  |
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Hi MJ. Hows that for luck? I don't post my bets but this was just a punt. I wanted to back the French filly on Saturday but my mate who puts my bets on when I am away was going with me. So I guessed the likely races and spent a couple of hours with the form book. I had three winners, a second beatn a nose and two fourths. My daughter in law put it on for me and texted me after the races. Great fun.
8/30/2014 1:40:48 PM589875Scoop6Scoop61 - Pearl BlueClosedC£288.00£2991.00Scoop6/14:053 - EcclestonClosedScoop6/14:0516 - Tagula NightClosedScoop6/14:205 - B Fifty TwoClosedScoop6/14:2011 - DungannonClosedScoop6/14:455 - HenryvilleClosedScoop6/15:507 - What About CarloClosedScoop6/14:551 - Ocean TempestClosedScoop6/14:556 - Foxtrot RomeoClosedScoop6/15:051 - Pea ShooterClosedScoop6/15:058 - Bronze BeauClosedScoop6/15:504 - Spa's DancerClosedScoop6/15:506 - Forgotten HeroClosedScoop6/14:457 - AzzaClosed Anyway I have a busy couple of days so be good and keep smiling. |
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Not surprising that smaller trainers especially, need to gamble. Also, they are more elikely to have smaller ownners who likewise need to gamble.
It's not surprising no, and I'm not saying I blame them. However, should racing be turning out a product that caters more and more for these types of low end insider gambles? Is wall to wall weekday dross (apart from the big festival meetings) and jam packed Saturdays going to attract new punters to the game? I don't see how it is. |
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However, should racing be turning out a product that caters more and more for these types of low end insider gambles? Is wall to wall weekday dross (apart from the big festival meetings) and jam packed Saturdays going to attract new punters to the game?.
The short answer is No and No. The long answer warrants it own thread, but no-one would listen anyway. No vision, too much self-interest,inadequate business model, too much competition,too many alternatives,unsound economics...impossible for anyone to sort...will continue to lose enthusiasts to be replaced by fickle audience brought in by promotions... Only answer is to use the remote more often.  |
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I agree. Like you say, as individuals we can use the remote, avoid what we don't like and choose what we do, but there are many of us, and I'm sure you're included, who would like to see the game have a healthy future. Bookmakers receive a lot of criticism, much of it justified, but I have to be honest and say that I wouldn't be at all interested in sticking my neck on the line and taking on some of these outfits as a layer in many of the day to day races. It isn't just the usual suspects anymore either.
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I`m afraid racing is in decline alongside other leisure activities,the pub trade and golf club membership being just two examples.
Competition for family budgets are at an all time high and I would suggest horse racing is not high on the list of priorities. Sadly it is us diehards who will continue to moan about it and come up with all the fixes but I`m afraid it is a case of seeing things how they are not how we would wish them to be. |
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I`m afraid racing is in decline alongside other leisure activities,the pub trade and golf club membership being just two examples.
This is true, and while some decline has to be expected, it is all the more reason for the racing authorities to make the game as attractive to the betting public as possible, they aren't. |
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The Middle and more so, the not well paid(or bigger majority of people) are skint, yes they still try to get involved but they are for sure priced out of racetracks,the housing con is to blame for most of what we witnessed from the early 80s,once business grasped that they could exploit in the same way,we were all fecked,the pubs,the taxman,and every form of business is currently running in cuckoo land,people are forced or having to make changes to a lifestyle that is beyond reach,the it ain't that bad bollocks is a lie,just look around I am sure most with eyes understand the truth.
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Enough of the negativity,good morning all
Cougar Mountain takes the stage today in a cracking sprint,any views folks? |
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I place laid Cougar Mountain last time and even though it could be argued this 6f will suit him better I think he is up against it again.
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Two place tickets up on the Scoop6 again. All you need is luck. It won't be much this week though and I put on a lot less as well. Fort Bastion, Battersea, Santefissio, Normal Equilibrium, Long Awaited, Communicator and Gordon.
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Looks like we could be in for an excellent result in Turkey today.
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Was it an excellent result?
Once again it goes to show that it`s the horse and not the jockey that counts given that the "forum muppet" was in the plate or did all the other jockeys **** it up? |
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Not sure what this argument is about, but if it's always the horse and not the jockey that counts then comments like the ones we heard on RUK the other week, that Sole Power only won because of the ride, must be illogical. Some balance would be nice.
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Felt the clues are all there my boy. Five's with Billies. Look at the date.
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I`m not a mind reader Brig, help me with what you are saying.
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I think you're talking about YESTERDAY's racing,FELTFAIR.
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you think just because he won on this date last year that he'll win today brig?
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Sorry I`m finally with it. Senior moment.
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Well spotted Gren. Ahead of me. And yes I do.
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Clearly jockey error.
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Is he too tall?
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R Moore riding Zoffany almost got up to beat Frankel at Ascot three or four years ago , the rider went for home to soon that day
and almost paid the price close home , today J Obrien though to a lesser extent, may also have got it wrong by going for home a little early and was done close to the finnish by Moore on a very, very , good Horse , take nothing from TGG , a tremendously willing son of Mastercraftsman ridden close to perfection . |
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I would trade out brigust,they will retire it after that,not the same physical appearance today to my eyes regardless of ride!
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If today's events don't make Coolmore tell Joseph to find a new job and ask Ryan Moore what his terms are to become stable jockey nothing will. On the other hand maybe The Grey Gatsby is the greatest horse ever.
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To trade out of the Arc, currently 50 to lay. Hardly enticing.
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I figure Australia ran to around 126 today (could have been bigger if given a tender piggot ride held up last job?),but the horse continues to give the impression it does bugger all in-front,I was not impressed by his appearance today,looked a little weak again(just opinion). I do think they will retire it.
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I thought Australia ran as well as he ever had, in my view the time was in keeping with previous efforts. A decent Derby winner but no more than that. Beaten today by a horse given a better ride and who improved to run the race of his life, with the fast pace suiting him better than the slower early pace at York. Thought the winner had a very hard race, though, and wouldn't be backing him to repeat that form in a hurry if he turns out again.
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Figgis is about right. Australia gave away at least the 2 lengths he beat TGG at York and therefore the 'ease of his Juddmonte win' and 'he has improved again since York' comments from the stable are rubbish. Awful ride today by JOB.
Perhaps they will swerve Free Eagle in the Champion Stakes and head for Kingman. I hope so. Maybe he is more of a miler. Either that or go for the Arc. I know, and have often said, the older horses are a poor lot but I find it very hard to think TGG is anywhere near real top class. Confused I am. |
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Yes ,you are! He has won the Dante,the French Derby and the race today and you say he is not top class!
BLOCKED,and not before time. |