I know his form ain't too good this season, but nobody on here seems to be considering MASKED MARVEL at all, which is good for me, as I can increase my free greening on an outsider with a squeak, who could hit a low price on the home turn.

I see Dettori is booked for Gosden's second string, and I think he could get first run on some of the principles once Robin Hood has shot his bolt, and he'll make it a real stamina test, and could possibly do 'a Teenoso' at massive odds.
He's far better than his recent performances indicate and it could be dangerous for the big guns to give him too much rope.

The ground is an obvious concern for him (just like it was for Teenoso) as it is with ST.NICHOLAS ABBEY, who despite looking very comfortable on it in the RP Trophy as a 2yo, beat trees!

He's won the Coronation Cup twice, which in reality is just about the cheapest all-aged middle-distance group one in Britain, and his other group one was on fast ground in the USA, at a stage of the season when I don't believe the top European horses are EVER at a peak.

SEA MOON looks a typical Stoute 4yo improver in the mould of many we've seen over the decades, though I don't think he was anywhere near as unlucky as everyone believed in the St.Leger - nevertheless, he looks about the most solid choice for the frame, despite needing a bit extra, which everyone seems unanimous in thinking that is in his locker, and conditions look perfect for him.

The Eclipse & King George double can be done (half a dozen following up over the last 30 years) but NATHANIEL could be up against it with an interrupted preparation and just a fortnight between races this season, and that rare fortnight gap nearly caught out a superior performer in Nashwan!

DUNADEN just looks a strong stayer to me and shouldn't have the pace for this level, though the anticipated strong stamina test will be in his favour, and he will undoubtedly be running on after losing his position when the gallop is stepped up.

DANEDREAM is the form choice for me, and it's difficult to find negatives in her best form - it seems far easier for others to proclaim her Arc victory as just a fluke, whereas I think it was an exceptional performance - she's way over-priced.

DEEP BRILLANTE is a real unknown quantity though I haven't heard any Orfevre or Deep Impact noises, and in reality, he probably has a bit to find.

RELIABLE MAN has proved very disappointing on numerous occasions (considering the best of his form) and although the ability is there, I don't believe he's appropriately named.
He may well be 'primed' later in the season, as it's rare to have a 4yo French challenger for this event.

BROWN PANTHER has everything in his favour except the raw ability to deal with this lot, which is the most important factor - I suppose he has a squeak of the place money by default if others under-perform, but he's definitely NOT one for me.

In summary then...DANEDREAM is the choice with SEA MOON being the biggest danger, and MASKED MARVEL the  one that could provide an upset - it's a big 'IF' but well worth a trade at the prices on here, as I'm thinking he'll be the first to kick and stretch them.

There is usually 3 weeks between the Eclipse and King George so it is probably even harder this year.

danedream for me at the prices ,looks the value call here and wouldnt be suprised if pricewise puts it up, had st nick behind in the arc and  more than double his price ,it seems the german horses are still being underestimated ,nathanial had a hard race in the eclipse and only 2 weeks to recover ,sea moon improving but a bit to find on the book imo ,and  closely matched with dunaden . the 10s or thereabouts each way on danedream appeal to me .

Danedream for me would be half the price if French-trained. Sea Moon could be anything - might well be a Harbinger but has failed to win both times it's run at G1 level.

still SNA's race all day long,the 5/1 a few days back was a gift,as long as there is no downpour,he hacks up tomorrow

I think you might be right and that was the reason I backed him in America.

Danedream@11 & Reliable Man@28 for me

get in you fookin dancer!

I think the result is about right.

danedream - arc winner
nathaniel - beast
st nick - yep 3rd is about right vs the top 2 (confimed form with sea moon)
Reliable Man - lways likely to run on like that without winning
Sea Moon - that's as good as he is....at least confirmed form with dunaden

Well done backers - the front 3 in the betting all had negatives so she was a good shout at the prices. I totally dismissed her for last years Arc so had to stick to my guns and ignore her again.

good analysis gooner,form looks about right,will it be good enough to win the Arc in Oct?that could be as good as the older generation get this yr imo Nathaniel and DD only ones to take out of race but wouldnt be in hurry to back either for Oct between now and then,momentum could start swinging in favour of the 3 yr olds in next couple months

mr sykes, there isnt any 3 year olds

Camelot,Valyra,Last Train and to lesser extent Imperial M would be the 3 yr olds I'd have in mind at minute elis,WFA is still a big advantage

well done danedream backers and a very good effort from nathaniel, have been suffering from a pulled muscle in my back, in agony most of week  ,felt a lot better today but in the exitement of danedream just getting up i was riding the finish with starke and buick  finish and pulled the back again ,in fecking agony again

Neither horse was the beneficiary of a great ride Roo, giving rope like that to proven Group 1 performers is asking for trouble, but JOB has got SNA beaten before in the Mooresbridge. It's another shocker imo.

AOB said afterwards ''there will be other days'' . Yeah. Hopefully with a better jockey on.

The Coolemore outfit and their messing about caused me to throw away a few
quid on the double, EXCELEBRATION and DANEDREAM, never intended to run
him in JULY cup, but why waste money like they do?
The next name for one of their horses, (keeping in mind the naming of LISTEN because it's Aidens most repeated word), my suggestion is "THE UNRELIABLE MEN".

on reflection nathaniel has run a stormer and considering he only had had 2 weeks to get over his hard race in the eclipse i would say he has improved another 3-5 lb on the eclipse run as the king george looks to be just about the strongest 1.4mile race run this season ,id have nath and danedream ratings wise about the same now , maybe a pound  in it either way. the arc is boiling  up to be a cracker .

I'm not Joseph's biggest fan either but as was widely predicted beforehand SNA is clearly not comfortable going right handed.  Run that race at Leopardstown, York or Saint Cloud and he would have been a 1L+ winner imo.

Yes he rode a poor race in the Moorsbridge, but then again so did Murtagh. In that race I feel JOB was covering his move as in the race yesterday he was covering Sea Moon.

He was too far back but imo he rode a far better race than Moore. When they turned it he put SM amongst horses whereas at least JOB gave SNA a clear sight of what was needed. If he was the horse that Coolmore think he is, he should have won yesterday. I am not sure that at the line he was any closer to the winner than when they were 1.5F out. On the day the best horses fought out the finish.

I just think people are very quick to blame JOB when in all likelyhood he was following instructions. Just because SNA got closer to the winner at the end than Sea Moon it gains attention but Moore rode a pi55 poor race

With SNA they probably figured there were better horses in the field and gambled the race would be run too fast and he'd mow them down in the straight - then send him off to stud on the back of that