Ah yes you do. Fair enough.

Ok cool.

I disagree . Think they have just been waiting for the Leger and there have been no suitable races in between.

What price you have?

Yes true. And I read there is an extra weeks gap between the Leger and the Arc this year so seems feasible.

ROOBUCK, I refer you to page 4 of the Cambridgeshire thread, 06Sep12 12.54 Wish I'd waited for the paper before the CES bet....feel a bit of an idiot tbh.
You horned in on an argument between the HEADBANGER and me and I told you to eff off and keep your nose out, so laugh that one off.
At least HEADBANGER has enough sense to keep out of my way, PETE THE BLOKE, why do people have to use masculine nom de plumes is it a huge inferiority complex?
Pokes his nose in and thinks he knows all about horses and horse racing, but didn't know when a filly became a mare, now he knows but not a single word of thanks for the info,
typical of ALL know alls.

I have said my piece and proved that ROOBUCK is a liar, I rest my case.

I use this as a pointer for those who believe in trends, a few years ago
D. NICHOLLS trained FUNFARE WANE to win the AYR gold cup as a 3yo, after that win the horse went off the boil, but came back to win the AYR gold cup as a 5yo, if anyone would care to re-view his form then they would see that NOT to back him to win the second would have have been gross idiocy, please study ALL  the horses he beat or was beaten by, one went to America
and won about 7 or 8 group ones there, the horse he beat as a 3yo won many group sprints and was the best trial tackle at any time in fairly recent history.
To get to my real point, DANEDREAM won the ARC as a 3yo and tries again on the 7th of October, since that ARC win there have been 12 group one winners, so there is no need to look elsewhere for the winner, the fact that she has not broken any records, which she did in the ARC, does not matter one jot, the trainer has done a great job and she has NEVER been knocked about, I only fear ONE horse and that is ORFEVRE, but my reasons I will explain about 10 minutes before the race.
Those group one winners were behind her in the ARC, but at least 2 were her wins in group ones.

calm down ladies !  he said ..she said!

We have a great days racing to look forward to tomorrow at Longchamp so

I'm concentrating on the Vermeille , even though i probably shouldn't by the race looking somewhat like a minefield.

I'm such a massive fan of this Sarah lynx that Ive got to have an interest on her tomorrow ...even though not actually confident of the race being the main target.

I just think shes the horse with the best form.

More of a watching day tomorrow...just to keep an eye of proceedings..

GL all if your steaming into something

I'LL GIVE YOU A THEORY ON WHATS GONE ON SINCE.

THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING THE PISS!

(sorry capitals)

not such a theory, more like how some trainers operate...simple fact.

A nice cruise around for Soummy tomorrow, get the monster familiar with Longchamp and then in a few weeks time win the big one!

Orfevre has nothing to fear from the 3 year old brigade and that was summed up with the St Leger result, an average bunch both sides of the channel IMO. Still feel Danedream and Meandre are the ones to fear, should be a cracking days racing at Longchamp. Shame I'm going to miss it all, no French racing in storm ridden Zante!

Cmon the J ap tank

Last Train has got to improve a fair bit to trouble the older horses, Main Sequence should have won the GPDP but has run two average races since so I wouldn't be confident if I was a backer. The only positives are the trainer and his record in the Arc but I think he might have his work cut out with this one. Meandre has got to be Mr Fabre's best chance of another Arc win, I'm getting excited about tomorrows match up in the Prix Foy.

I think a few of us over the last 4 to 6 months have been banging the Orfevre drum and 16-1 was a laughable price, if he performs how he should tomorrow and wins, the PMU will have to batten down the hatches on Arc day. The Japanese will be coming.

Fabre was reported to be very pleased with Last Train about a month ago with the Niel the target,if LT wins tmrw Fabre will have an idea where he stands having run Meandre v Ofreve,oddly enough the small field could be Meandre's favour

If Last Train had won the GPDP like his dad did then I would have been more inclined to thinking the same way as you Mr S but the more I watched that race Main Sequence should have won it really. The form doesn't look good to me but Fabre does have that magic touch so you never know.

MrD if LT was trained by anyone other than Fabre I wouldnt give him a seconds thought,remains to be seen what he does tmrw

Yes Mr S, you have always got to respect Fabre and the Prix Niel is another intriguing race on the Longchamp card. I'm just peed off I'm going to miss it all!!!

MR DINOS, where is ZANTE and could you not view via this site, presuming they show the videos during racing?

Oh dear my Camelot idea doesn't seem to have been a very clever one. Saying that I think he should have been much closer to winning today without a pretty average ride. Maybe he could still run but hope Last Train does me a favour now!

Orfevre becomes the latest Japanese star to embark on the route towards the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe with an outing in one of the trials at Longchamp this Sunday.
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With the help of his pacemaker Aventino, last year's Japanese Triple Crown winner tackles Andre Fabre's triple Group One winner Meandre in the Prix Foy.

The Far Eastern racing nation have developed a keen interest in attempting to claim Europe's great prize, from when El Condor Pasa took the Foy and then finished second in the 1999 Arc.

Others like the legendary Deep Impact and Nakayama Festa have tried and narrowly failed, but hopes are high for the ebullient chestnut Orfevre, who concluded his preparation under big-race rider Christophe Soumillon in a piece of work this week at Chantilly's Les Aigles gallops.

Trainer Yasutoshi Ikee said: "Christophe Soumillon said that the horse had more speed and showed better movement than a week before.

"I am sure that Christophe and Orfevre are getting along well together, it's his first time at Longchamp but I hope he can handle it in a good manner."

Soumillon said: "I have watched his past performances and my impression of him has been even improved after the track work. He is definitely a first-class horse.

"Even though our main objective is to win the Arc three weeks later, I want to win the Prix Foy without making too much effort."

Two British raiders, Princess of Wales's Stakes winner Fiorente and Joshua Tree, recently brought across the Channel to land the Prix Kergorlay by Marco Botti, complete the line-up.

Freddie Head's Galikova faces a stiff challenge in her attempt to win the Prix Vermeille for a second year in a row.

A half-sister to her trainer's marvellous Goldikova, Galikova has the beating of recent Yorkshire Oaks winner Shareta and Sarah Lynx on the form from 12 months ago, but entering the equation here is Dermot Weld's Princess Highway, who stormed away with the Ribblesdale Stakes and finished third in the Irish Oaks.

Although Irish Oaks winner Great Heavens was not declared among the 13 runners, there is impressive German Oaks winner Salomina, who represents the trainer of 2011 Arc heroine Danedream in Peter Schiergen and other improving three-year-olds like Yellow And Green and Romantica.

Galikova was ahead of Danedream but behind Meandre and Shareta on her comeback in the Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud and not disgraced on her other run when beaten just a length and a quarter by Snow Fairy in the Prix Jean Romanet at Deauville.

"It's a very, very good race but I am very happy with her and I am expecting a good run," said Head.

"I think she has come on a bit since the last race, which was a re-entry after a break."

The three-year-old's trial, the Prix Niel, sees Alain de Royer-Dupre's Secretariat Stakes winner Bayrir tackling Andre Fabre's narrow Grand Prix de Paris runner-up Last Train and the highly-rated Kesampour, who lost his unbeaten record in a messy French Derby and has not been seen since.

Kesampour is trained by Mikel Delzangles, who said: "He was a bit sick in July, he had sinus problems, but he has been very well since then and has been working well.

"He's in good condition and I would say that if he runs well on Sunday, then he could go for the Arc.

Cheers Baz, I wish I stayed in GB the weather here is piss poor at the moment!

Hopefully Orfevre cruises to a nice comfy win tomorrow with Soummy having a look around.

I bet your winnings top up your pension nicely Baz!

Sint - any links to that Sea Moon story?

I can't use the internet options available as well as many of you clued-up geezers on here