Nakayama festa better than Orfevre? Now that is a clueless comment. Your mum should send you to your room for being such a silly boy!!

Andre Fabre not confident of turning form round on Orfevre in Arc with Meandre after Prix Foy. Fabre also confirmed Last Train will not go for the Arc but is expected to make a nice four-year-old next season.

Saonois has to be respected from what I've read but I'm going to stick to my guns regarding the 3 year olds. I know what's going to happen now!!!

The Japanese don't do it the American way A_T!

Love the football mentality. Have you considered a fan club?

I couldn't back Camelot for two reasons. The first, I dont think he will run. The second, I dont think he'll win anyway.

And actually, I am going to throw in a 3rd reason, Joseph Obrien around Longchamp.

Plus I suspect they will run SNA. He only has 1.5 lengths to make up on Danedream & Nathaniel.

Strontium - I hate this business of being permanently in the dark about running plans, and I think the best guide is usually looking at the markets on here.
In the case of Imperial Monarch, it's impossible to gauge anything, as his price is consistently yoyo-ing!

He touched 240 a couple of days ago and was last matched today at 29!
WTF is going on?

"It's REGULARLY the world's best race for quality & quantity, though sometimes the best don't win...that makes it more exciting, to think we could have another stunning winner from nowhere like Danedream!"

Just so I don't have Bazzar on my flank when he wakes up...I should have phrased that as the PERCEIVED best, because she was undoubtedly the best horse on the day...no question of that!

for me very taken by the 3 year old saonais and was a little perplexed by ofevre although there was no pace for him to run at...

those that have nice prices must be content....

just looking at the sectionals and saonais covered the last 600 metres one second faster than ofevre and much more easily than ofevre....

my main concern for saonais come the race, would be deep ground but he looks an exciting horse and is still a tad of value imo...anyone who has watched the french derby saw what an awful run through saonais had and unlike others i feel this horse is a weapon and with a lot more to come in a better run race...the niel contained some nice horses of decent standard, time will tell but if the ground is good he will run a massive race imo...

Pricewise Arc selection to be public at 8pm. Keep an eye on Twitter if you don't subscribe. There's bound to be
a bit of action on the market.

looks like masterstroke of andre fabre

You have to laugh at the effect it has.

blue even

That looks suspiciously like smug aftertiming NG (or as Bazz calls you: PETE THE BLOKE)

Nah. I'm just pulling yer leg. It amused me that he thought you were me.

I didn't think your suggestion about Encke was so preposterous. Bazz will say that that proves I know NOTHING.

Pete - I think it was Bazzar that was critical of my 'scatter-gun' approach (apologies if not) but I think that's easy to defend when there is some fantastic three-figure value on here months in advance.

The likes of 4yo's with proven quality form like Meandre, Reliable Man, Shareta, Galikova & Sea Moon have hit silly prices after early season disappointments, and I see that as the time to step in, as what trainer is gonna have a proven 4yo at full tilt in the early months of the season, when the main objective is very likely to be the Arc?

Some like Masked Marvel go awry but at massive prices, a few quid ain't gonna damage the budget too much.

My methods work for me though I'm sure they're not to everyone's taste, like Bazzar, who actually called me a novice recently
I'm deeply hurt Baz

Bazzar - if someone's methods work for them then I wouldn't be scornful.
Mine work for me and I hope you have some luck with your own systems.

I can't see the point of bickering on a forum, but I can assure you of one thing...I'm no 'tyro' as you put it, and there are many on here (I don't personally know, because only Manuel Padilla knows who I am) that'd back me in a head to head with your good self where racing knowledge is concerned.

In other guises (ask Wildmanfromborneo) I've won plenty of the racing quizzes on here, where the options aren't 'google-able'

PS - I thought the 'bizarre' pun was rather humorous

PETE, the headbanger ran away after telling me was trying to help me and
called me BIZZARE in the same post, it's like witnessing a politician denying the truth
using bluff and bluster, you horned in on that argument and took his side,
so eff off!!!!!

Masterstroke eh!

Well I'll get slagged here but i think hes put in the most eye catching performance of all the french races within the last 8 weeks.

As i said on this thread 3 days ago,  had a ton on at 32/1  based on a visual clue.

I tend to be a lot more choosy when making a book with regards to the Arc, its that type of race where class tells and experience of looking at how horses are campaigned in the lead up

If you look at the last 10 running's of the race ...the best horse has won in my opinion

The Arc has always been quite easy for me to make good money, i think its because Ive tuned my attention to flat racing in the last 5 years between the last week of September and the middle of December with regards to international races.

the first time i actually started to take notice of the Arc was in 2001 when Sakhee hammered the field in a bog , i didn't bet in the race but i was hooked on the spectacle. Dettori then made me a months wage on marianbard in 2002 when i was just 21yo. I cant believe how quickly 10 years has gone.

in the last few years Ive actually got quite serious on my betting volume on the arc because of the exchanges, i do believe their are certain underlying rules that are attached to the race as the season begins to unravel.

This year i started do my backing only 4 weeks ago, i backed the mare Sarah Lynx as an interest bets of 40 quid, and Orfevre being my main bet between 19/1 and 22/1 for approx 320 pounds , i then backed savers on Nathaniel and Dandream as savers on my stakes . I then have had my last bet a few days back on Masterstroke at 32/1 to 100 quid


Thing is with the arc ,if you do enough looking at the trials ...and i mean going back throughout all of the German, English, french races going back to beginning of august it can be quite obvious sometimes with regards to spotting something that has shown a good performance visually ....and i always try and make that my last bet before the race.

I'm happy with my bets at this stage and i confident that i have a good enough lot to not touch the exchanges now until the race.

Id be a little shell shocked if i don't get one of my runners winning or going very close, i just cant see anything coming out of the pack within the next 3 weeks

last year was my best bet Ive ever had on a single bet in my life. Dandream was 48/1 before the off last year and i made her the fav in my book weeks before the race, probably one of the best piece of race reading ive done on the arc  as i was so confident she would win by many lenghts , i still think she can win it this year but it just wouldnt make me a profit if she did...but i wouldn't grumble


To finish , im quite pleased with myself with that bet i had on masterstroke a few days back at 32/1, its sweetened my market which im happy with, im only pissed off that i didnt notice it 2 weeks ago when i watched all the replays from france, she must have been 100/1 at least..