Rainbow Quest, Tony Bin, Carroll House & Workforce from memory over the last 35 years, so not such a crazy stat.

Soz Navel, spelt ya name wrong! Bloody Android phone.

Kieron Fallon very sweet on Orfevre! Sound judge is Kieron.

Another one of the professionals who thinks the monster looked good. Fallon had a great view of Orfevre's back side so you can't argue with his comments!

BJG,

Hayda Landa has been announced a runner and is a four figure price!  Will that do?

Don't think Sunday's German G1 has got much to offer, unless Araldo continues his improvement....and the Tessio has no particular interest either.  Godolphin said Masterstroke would be their only runner...but Encke would have his supporters if they had a rethink and Mandaen goes on Saturday in the Prince d'Orange.  If he's suddenly grown and bolts up he'd be a player again, but it's wishful thinking.  I thought Reliable Man was the forgotten horse of the race for a while, although the market's corrected slightly over the last few days.  He runs today and needs to win, with the trainer having thoughts about Canada which is slightly concerning. In the same race, Maxios still holds some interest, but he's proving devilishly frustrating and may be better over 2000m anyway.

In short, like you, I've been going up and down trying to find runners at prices....and have largely drawn a blank.  Pastorius is the last one I'll mention, but his batty owners have all but ruled out an Arc supp and, as he already has the Champion Stakes entry, it would require quite a shift to cough up the euros to get him to Longchamp.

I said in an earlier post that I thought that completing the KG/)Arc double in the same year was a difficult task. That comment was based on memory, so I thought that I would look at the records going back to 1983 to see whether I was right or not.

It turns out that I am both right and wrong really. Wrong in that 18 have tried and 3 have done it, Dylan Thomas (07),Lammtarra (95) Dancing Brave (86) so that's not too bad a strike rate.

Turns out that the 3 yr olds that tried won 2/7 , 4yrs 1/7 and older 0/7, broadly in line with the overall age stats for the 90 odd years.

However, there were some big names that failed such as Conduit 8/1 (09),Hurricane Run 5/2 (06),Montjeu  4/5(00),Generous 9/10(91), Mtoto (88) Reference Point odds on (87)Time Charter fav (83)


So, is 3/18 good or bad for horses that won the top 12f all-aged race in Britain? 5/1 against on average? I still conclude that it is a big ask, considering that these horses were near top-rated or at the front of the market.

Is Orfevre going to need Good ground? I know he has won on Soft, but his trainers comments about changing legs a bit the day after the Foy were a bit hard to interpret.

any word on whether Sea Moon is going to make this gig? cheers

Reliable Man turned over in France, by Maxios.  Winner was ridden with a bit more punch but no excuses for the beaten fav at first glance imo.

Should be DANEDREAM of course, but would part ownership
come into their rule of same ownership?

cheers miller

HM - many thanks

Sint - that was 10f and she looks very tasty over 12f with cut - that was a bog, and she still ran a great race with separating TWO group one winners.
I think there's a big prize in her she's just TOO big for the Arc, even though she has an entry.

I did did say I wouldn't post again so I will keep it brief..... but isn't Sapphire being considered for Melbourne?

Just on this thread...a disagreement.

Have a stab NAVEL, I would like to know, but then you seem to have jumped to conclusions.

ROOBUCK was caught out in a lie after telling me about being on the wrong thread ffs,
he could not bring himself to own up to the lie and so stayed away,
the moral is don't throw out at people then commit the same stupidity.
You like to think that you are intelligent re quizzes and such, but do you also agree with a bookmaking firm printing a price for a horse in a race and that horse has NEVER been entered for said race?

So why come out with a phrase, talk about paranoia, I did not suggest who you meant in your post to roobuck but you assumed that I MEANT ME.
Now do you believe that it is right for a bookmaker to print a horse in a list and
that horse was NEVER entered in the race, thereby that firm takes the stake as a non runner, ergo a loser?
Simple enough question just would like your opinion.

No - it's bad, but we've been used to their underhand, greasy tactics for over 50 years!

What are the circumstances and why do you ask?

I used to regularly back ante-post years ago, but since Edredon Bleu won the Champion Chase (absolute E/W steal that season, and I think I had it at 10's or 12's) I've had ONE bet with the bookmakers, because time & time again I was getting stuffed with non-runners, and furthermore, many that actually turned up were BIGGER prices on the day!

That last bet I had...Hardy Eustace at 33/1 & 40/1 the year of his first Champion Hurdle - alas...I backed him for the Stayers' Hurdle as I was 'reliably' informed that was his target

That was the final straw for me, and it hurt even more in not backing him in the Champion itself at 33/1, and like Roberto Duran, I thought 'no mas' - then I discovered this place

Getting a green book by primarily laying is the way for me nowadays, with several punts at massive prices that are essentially free bets.