Now the ante-post rules state that bets are accepted, all in run or not enter or not,
in what I consider to be a logical thought process, that such a rule was a heinous
and unjust rule, how can a horse who was never entered be considered a loser?
To my way of thinking it cannot, if it was entered then the intent at the time of entry was for the horse to run and in that case if subsequently injured or not got fit enough to do justice, then stakes are lost , but NOT if the horse was never entered.
These rules were made up when it was illegal to bet and to admit to gambling would leave a participant open to criminal proceedings, there has never been an update in relation to this rule.
I have used I.B.A.S. on two occasions and have never got a satisfactory judgement in my favour, they use the price takes care of the risk, argument.
The first time, the horse was injured and never ran again, it was injured at the time I placed my bet, yet the adjudication was exactly the same as price and risk, I admit I had not seen when it was injured, but as RIBOTMAN points out the scam is still going on as regards RULERSHIP, some sort of regulation should be in place to be fair all round.

I believe that they are funded by the bookies, but it is difficult to prove,
their site does not inform how they are funded and victories either way, are
never published, THE HEADMASTER took the bookies part and it developed into quite a long drawn out argument with ROOBUCK and PETE THE BLOKE taking sides with THE HEADMASTER.
Think about this NAVEL, if you wanted some people to follow your opinion which NOM DE PLUME would you use.
I have had lots of jobs over the years and the late 50s and early 60s were some of the happiest times for me, I worked at PETROCHEMICALS in CHESHIRE and a very good friend was a guy called TOMMY EDEN who used to booze in the FLYING SAUCER in Speke, he's probably dead now but he was a good mate, a foreman rigger.

Baz - I don't give a shíte if someone's view is the polar opposite of mine...I have no intention of falling out with them over a difference of opinion, but in the case you mention, I'M DEFINITELY on your side!

I can't see why you'd worry about a conflicting version of events that someone else has

PS - I don't get what you're saying about a 'nom-de-plume'...you do speak in riddles sometimes
AND I don't want ANYONE to follow my opinion...a forum is about sharing views and I like to hear from others, and every now & again I'd like to think I can contribute with the odd snippet.

Roo - I get you're point if you want to back horses that have yet to be supplemented, but backing ante-post should come with some sort of proviso that the bookmaker should honour, along the lines of NRNB.

I don't see why backing ante-post means you lose you stake if they don't make the gig, as the perceived value there used to be many years ago, has been well & truly ransacked...when you see a bum win a juvenile hurdle on the 5th of fcukin' JUNE put in at 12/1 fav for the Triumph (Grand Gold, and it was stuffed on its next run!) it proves they're really taking the piss, as I'm sure they had ZERO bets for it!

If there was a market on here then, I'd have laid the sac off it, and I'm certain there would have been NO takers!

I could be getting mixed up ROOBUCK, it was about 2 years ago if memory serves.
Nom de plume is French for pen name, we had to use a NDP so we could be identified when
we had a bet, and runners were used as go betweens, for instance one of my nom de plumes
was MOTORBIKE, hope that explains.

Baz - I know what a nom-de-plum is...I just didn't get what you meant

Fair enough Roo...we all have our preferences.

Just out of interest...I think I'll get a screen shot on oddschecker for the Cheltenham Festival races, save it, then consult it next March - there'll be loads that'll be bigger on the day if they get there.

I think bookies could do NRNB permanently on AP bets...they've got over-rounds bordering 300% for most races!

Anyway completely off topic now.

None of my long shot options are going to run so my main investments are Nathaniel and Orfevre. I fear Danedream but my last investment will be on a AOB runner, preference on IM if he runs?

Good luck all

Last Train, Speaking of Which and Princess Highway. The last two of which were not entered. Really thought they were/are decent animals and as such would win their last races putting me in a trading position at least.

Back to Sapphire. You say that Weld has sent two to quarantine but from what I can see he has only 3 entries.....and Rite of Passage apparently is being aimed at the Prix du Cadran

Seriously...  I like all the speculation as much as the next man, but this one's been put firmly to
bed, hasn't it?

For what it's worth, my tip is Shareta. I don't think I tipped anything else. If I did then
this supersedes my last tip

Betting on Frankel now can simply be a matter of 'What If ....?'.  The connections seem dead set on sending him to Ascot and therefore could not take the Arc in on the way.  I would also like to believe that the connections are simply too honourable to change their plans once they have declared them.  By this I do not mean that they are particularly concerned about punters, rather that they make their plans and stick by them.

Can't agree with the assertions of InTheBath. Doing the "dishonourable" thing and running at Longchamp would be a hugely popular move. Also, running in the Arc doesn't preclude a horse running in the Champion Stakes. So You Think ran very well in both, and Frankel is obviously a vastly superior horse.

Highly unlikely to run, granted. So any chance of you laying my measly bet at 55? Can't understand the mentality of those who have laid a horse like this at three figures. Tiny upside, enormous downside.

PS If they announce he's a definite runner at 11am today I end up with egg all over my face and I'll blame you!

You are correct, Baz.

Betfair rules has it right:

Market Suspensions:
10.30 CET 2nd & 3rd October - Forfeit Stages
10:30 CET 4th October - Supplementary Stage
This market will close at 10:30 CET on the 5th October. A day of the race market will be available shortly after.

Camelot reinserted into Arc market by VC and Hills this morning.  Also backed on here down to a recent low of 6.6  (12.45pm).
Has there been anything from Ballydoyle on him as an intended runner, or is this just more speculation?

As Shakespeare said the "slings and arrows", let them all come
she will beat them again.

"Back to Sapphire. You say that Weld has sent two to quarantine but from what I can see he has only 3 entries.....and Rite of Passage apparently is being aimed at the Prix du Cadran"

Roo - maybe he's got candidates for other races...I'm sure I read recently they were already in quarantine.

I've just googled Galileo's Choice & quarantine and found this: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0919/1224324159968.html

Seems like I'm talking through my arse again...but at least I'm a bit right

One observation - the Arc market on here is made up to 95% on the 'Lay' side even at this stage 2 weeks away.  (This is a more complete market than some Irish races even close to the 'Off'!).  This means any alterations to the front dozen in the betting will cause considerable ripples in the market - worth watching closely. 
Camelot makes 14% of the market (but I still think he is too short even at 7/1 and won't be trading shorter than this even if he is declared); even Frankel still makes up 2%.