I would still not be certain about Camelot running at this stage (still in 5day decs)
And even if he were to run on Sunday, he has a gd bit to find on the book
Coming into the start of this flat season i had little doubts that Camelot would be the best 3yo over here & landed gd bets on him in the 1st 2 classics, but he is the best of an average lot & looked below his best in the Leger, plus he took an age to pick up & got turned over in what looked an average race.
So unless he improves a great deal from that Leger run, he wont be winning any Arc imo.
I just cant have him & have layed him for a few ££.

I agree about camelot's running plans but it is surely more likely with the unforunate recent defections?

I think that the scared bookies will reduce his odds following
the cascade of money coming from JAPANESE punters, so my advice does make sense,
to those who fancy ORFEVRE.

Having been quite against Sea Moon earlier on the thread, with the defections the 16s you can actually get in a couple of place does seem to offer a bit of value now.

Nathaniel friendless

Nathaniel out with high temp

This is now just sickening!

Why can't the bums & deadbeats get these niggling problems?
Snow Fairy, Danedreamn & now Nathaniel...it's not gonna take much winning any more

At this rate bazz will be right and Orfevre will start odds on

Maybe some trainers will be having further thoughts? A few more supps than anticipated?

If Camelot is well, surely they'll run him now.

Absolutely gutted at this field being ransacked like this...who's next?

These three big withdrawals have been a huge boot in the balls to me, as ALL were 'friends' and I've been stung with hot potatoes in laying others.

A week ago, I had big reds next to Masterstroke & Yellow & Green (£1400+) which didn't concern me at all, as I didn't fancy either, and they were always gonna be easy to trade out of - both drifted, just as I suspected/predicted they would, so I found an easy 'escape hatch' - the big reds NOW are against Camelot (it was him I was expecting to be withdrawn, and I thought the price was bananas) St Nicholas Abbey & Sea Moon which have now become a thorn, and could be harder to wriggle out of with only a couple of days to go.

Maybe I shouldn't be so bold as to say I don't fancy any particular horses now, as there are just 18 left (including some rags) they're dropping like flies and soft ground is forecast - a serious downpour and ANYTHING can happen!

These scratchings are really bad for the stress levels - is anyone else suffering too?

Is now the time for Abdullah to cough up the supplementary fee for Frankel?

This is now a joke race and should be run as a group 3.

What price will Orfevre start if Camelot dont turn up?

John Gosden's horse ''Great Heavens'' (to be supplemented) has just been backed from 1000 DOWN to 75 on Betfair for the Prix Arc

no it wont be supplemented

Can't say I've EVER seen AP market mayhem like this

I wouldn't rule out some other surprising supplementary entries...we're all pissing in the wind here

Certainly wouldn't be the worst bet though I think she was being prepared for Ascot so surely she'd be a gallop or two short?

EG - I've had him onside for 'insurance purposes' in the unlikely event of bottomless ground...I backed him last May when he beat Masterstroke at a decent price so he owes me nothing.

That's exactly the kind of supplementary surprise I mentioned before.

lol, mugs backing her at 25/1. will not run.

Sandown - you sound in a similar position to me though I do have several other strings to my bow.

I too have had nearly 35 years punting and even though it seems a regular occurrence (unexpected withdrawals) in the preceding week to a big race, NEVER have I seen anything like this!

THREE solid claimants to the Arc and the money's gone west

essexguy
02 Oct 12 15:29

if your looking for a long shot try top trip at 1000-1

I bloody well hope so - he's been prepared for the 1m7f race on Saturday so is defineitly going to be 100% fit and I'd have him at about 14/1 if he turned up, and the softer the better. If these defections don't make them change target they must be mad.