...and how can you improve on the Racing Post Trophy as a 2yo Derby trial for your horse also.

I would run him in the RPT hoping to get a bit more company for longer in the race due to the better oppo. It will help him gain experience, develop more physically and allow the jockey to learn more about him in a race. Then the Dante it couldn't be simpler with a horse like him who can cruise then kick.

picture editor is the one to be following

Atertime what? If you mean the tennis he hasnt won yet so technically I wont be picking up 2.5k until this evening. Pleased it annoys you though.

James got it badly wrong on last years Guineas cut the cr@p though he is very good with the fillies. Dont agree with him or you but at least he has an idea what he is talking about wheras you dont.

You are an idiot who provokes trouble ... check threads to see who has the first dig .. it is you. You are a clown and troublemaker.

Eric, i've had one or two arguments on here in the past but no more than that. Every thread you appear on you argue until your biased views are the given.

you accuse someone like James of getting things badly wrong, but hang on .. you got it badly wrong with Steinbeck. You got it bad wrong with Timepiece. You got it badly wrong with Zaynar.

And all the while, you tell people about how you won 5k here, and 5k there. It is absolutley laughable to say the least, Walter.

I didnt get it badly wrong with Steinbeck .. he was a none runner due to a setback. I pointed out Canford was the most likely winner in his absence, James said Canford wouldnt stay a mile and also extolled St Nicks virtues for the race whereas I pointed out exactly what happened subsequently with past stats to back it up.

Zaynar I got it right as based on the previous years field and finishing positions of Celestial and the public form of Binocular, he would have won last years Champion Hurdle due to his position relative to Celestial. The only thing I got wrong was the seconds improvement due to a new training regime when everything pointed to it being the ground on form. Binocular showed astronomic improvement on all seasonal form and is still a mystery.

Timepiece I pointed out it was an open race and was not exceptionally strong on her. I did back her the race after she won.

All in all I am happy with my analysis last season and will never go for the popular vote as I like to be against the crowd ... it pays.

Anyway back to Frankel and maybe you ought to check threads where you take a dig first. If you dont like my views that have paid well over the years for me dont read them you mug.

we'll call it a truce, or whatever the word is, Eric.

For the record, it is not your views/opinions I, and probably others, have a problem with.

Others, lol getting your gang together .. typical child-like behaviour from you. Dont read my posts .. end of .. simple, then you cant get annoyed when I have a strong view against a horse you might have backed.

..like St Nick in last years Guineas. I was 100% correct on him but my view was very unpopular as tons had backed him and gave me stick for it. They wont admit they were wrong, they will however give more stick if I go against their horse again in future, fact.

What has Rafa Nadal got to do with next years classics though?????

LOL, Kirkybabes, you are funny. Have another look in the drawer and you might have a treble running on from the "Last Pope market"...............

No definitely dont have the Pope, just checked and it is Timmy Mallett to win I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here.

They arent offering for the Pope due to suspect insider trading on his price.

12 Sep 10 10:05: LOL, Kirkybabes, you are funny.  Ah, it all makes sense now. 
For the record, I admit I was completely wrong about both St Nicholas Abbey and Canford Cliffs.  The stats strongly pointed to Canford Cliffs (as a son of the speedy Tagula) not staying a mile, but he proved me (and many others) gloriously wrong.  St Nicholas Abbey was outpaced in the Guineas and stayed on in the style of a horse that wants a longer trip. 

As for the debate about St Nicholas Abbey and Steinbeck, I should know better than to rise to the bait, but the formbook states that SNA was beaten just under 2 lengths by Canford Cliffs in the Guineas, while Steinbeck, who has not made the expected progress this season, was beaten 5 lengths by Canford Cliffs in the Irish Guineas and 6 lengths by the same horse at Ascot.  The Dewhurst form, which looked a bit sub-standard at the time (with less than a length covering the first four), has taken a few knocks this season: Beethoven has twice been beaten around 4 lengths by Canford Cliffs, Fencing Master finished behind SNA in the Guineas and has proved disappointing subsequently, Xtension ran well in the Guineas (finishing ahead of SNA) but was beaten more than 5 lengths by CC in the Irish Guineas.  Dick Turpin has turned out to be the best of the Dewhurst runners.  The Racing Post Trophy form has also taken a few knocks, with the fourth and fifth failing to shine this year, though it's a great shame that neither SNA nor Elusive Pimpernel has run since the Guineas.  Al Zir, incidentally, was beaten by the same margin in the Guineas (6¼ lengths) as he was in the RPT, so the form isn't that bad.  The sixth Shakespearean (beaten 8 lengths by SNA) has won a Group 2 over 7f this year.

It will be interesting to see whether SNA takes up his entry in the Diamond Stakes at Dundalk on 1 October (as a prep for either the Champion Stakes or the Breeders Cup).

Guineas , Derby double.

I remember looking at the time compared to others that day and it did seem quite decemnt for a three horse race, and especially so for a race that was won in that style. Frankel could have certainly put another 4 lengths maybe considerably more between himself and the other two, He never really came off the bit and had any amount in hand.

Howellsey, can I ask you (and Figgis too for that matter) what sort of time would Frankel have done if he had won by another 5 lengths?

I don't do times much and lengths per second is beyond me. I do know he was value for at least another 4 lengths though so could certainly have covered the 7 furlongs in a much quicker time has=d be been asked to do so.

I know that its easy to build up hoirses that win maiedens and lesser races like this quite a lot, but the chance really does remain - this just could be the one!

Having availed myself of 100/1 about the triple crown I of course rather hope so!

"Sprinting at Full Tilt"

Absolute bo11ox Mr Mordin !

bit late...but backed @14s today for derby...i'd prefer to see him skip the lodge...and just romp home in the racing post...

mordin "Frankel was sprinting at full tilt fore the last quarter mile or more".

Did he really say that?

I mean I know he does say dome pretty daft things but still.

Look at the race yourselves and judge. He was never asked a question by the jockey and was not actually of the bit. He was very clearly cruising and making no effort at all. he had a ton in hand.

The form is very dicey and the race a nothing sort of race - all agreed. But if Frankel was "at full tilt" then  Lester Piggott was a poor jockey and Vincent O'Brien couldn't train a racehorse!

Naturally I wouldn't expect everybody's standard times to be exactly the same but Mordin's Doncaster standards must really need some work if he has Frankel's time as an ordinary one.
COT, while I always prefer to see a horse win as easily as Frankel did, because obviously the horse is still fresh for another day, I don't upgrade its rating as I've usually found that when a horse clocks a fast time on the bridle it usually doesn't find much more than a pound or two when eventually hard ridden. Maybe Frankel will be one of the rare ones though.

I've seen quite a few fast 2yos over the years that burned out quickly, SNA is still fresh in the memory, so I'm not getting carried away just yet, but he's a very promising young horse at the moment.