track is fast but great run by Puma.. Hollow at 40's with Billies is value (relative to other sticking prices).

Anybody know of any English trained runners being aimed at this? I persume Sawpit Sensation is still on course but bar him is there any others?

Yeah i've done very little on here, just small plays on Tibetan Skies from 34 to 55 and Skywalker Puma from 30 to 46, i persume both where with you?

Will wait until final entries in at the weekend and start looking for some big prices

Skywalker Puma 2.08 - 28.22
Captain America 2.15 - 28.37

absolutely delighted with those runs, could do with 'The Captain' coming away a bit better

Quail Hollow 2.08 - 28.48
Subway Ruth 3.58 - 29.85 (550y)

jesus my post looks a mess seen as betfair decided to clown about with the forum again, hope you can make out the times from it anyway

The shops are giving nothing away .with so many good dogs at the min i think they should be going 12/1 the fav..i think patience is the best Strategy until we see the draw for the first round. ty for the info on the trails PF.

only stuff I would consider as near remote value is 25-1 puma as someone posted (but not for me), and maybe e/w on POG and perhaps on a good day downhill with wind behind me Hollow, both 40's

503m wouldnt suit any top English dogs, like Eden Star, Taylors Sky, Farloe Ironman and terrible about Coolavanny Bert. Looking at lesser lights, thought Meadowbank Owl could have been a possible. Know Draper keen to make up for lost time with him, trip would suit but not come up to scratch since imported, injury problems. Seems to be heading for Steel City Cup anyway. Would have thought Jazz Apollo may not have been disgraced but not gone in recent years, no reason to change?

Apart from Sawpit Sensation possible, could be interesting to see if Savva let's Westmead Adonis have a pop. The pair have virtually identical times over 509m at Swindon and could give a good account of themselves

tbf, is a long way to keep coming and going for the duration of the month, unless you get kennelled over there. Savva certainly isnt scared of taking the Irish on in their own backyard. As for the rest, dont think they really got the type of dog anyway, with any sort of remote chance

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Where is the value in the market now? Here is my views anyway.

Sparta Maestro @ 10/1 (I still think he deserves to be favourite despite Saturday nights flat run where he was found to be sore on his foot. Before that run he had never been out of the first 3. He runs Shelbourne brilliantly and can do it from the front or from behind. Of the market leaders he is the one i prefer at the prices.)

Razldazl Will @ 25/1 (Bigger on here. I have actually been disappointed with him this year but he just keeps making finals so in terms of an ante post bet he seems a reasonable price for that reason. The only competition he has entered that he did not make the final was the Gold Cup where he got bad trouble but he has made the National Puppy Stake, Easter Cup, Betfair 600 and ECC Timber finals all at Shelbourne and it is not hard to imagine him making the Derby Final too.)

Skywalker Puma @ 40/1 (He did a stunning run at Kilkenny last Friday night and has already shown what he can do at Shelbourne and the step up to 550y looks sure to suit. In fact watch the Larry Dunne final that Sparta Maestro won and Skywalker Puma was absolutely flying into the 3rd bend where he got no run and i wonder what the result would have been had he got through there. He has massive pace and stays well and should be tough to knock out.)

Power Of God @ 50/1 (Won the Produce Stakes at Clonmel but i don't think that track suited him the best and he did well to win in the circumstances. At Shelbourne he has already clocked 28.44 (twice) and he runs in the Race Of Champions at Tralee Saturday night where he was only beat a SH by Razldazl Rioga in the semi finals. The only worry i have with him is the draw, he is mad for the rails so the draws will be crucial for him.)

Camas @ 66/1 (A Produce Stakes finalist behind Power Of God and he runs in the ECC Timber final on Saturday night at Shelbourne. This lad is a proper (w) seed and a proper wide runner. Since coming to Shelbourne he seems to have improved his trapping and he has fine all round pace. If he keeps drawing the outside box he should avoid all problems and is one who could go deep in the comp.)

Cashen Mafuma @ 66/1 (Another Produce Stakes finalist and he looked unlucky in last weeks semi final of the Race Of Champions. His form down the country is very good and he can do it both ways. The last time he ran in Shelbourne over 525y he was pretty unlucky in losing 1/2L to Dear Pa and the extra distance should prove to be no problem. He was naughty after the line that night so probably has a kink but if reproducing the form he shows in CML, LMK and TRL the price would be too big.)

Captain America @ 100/1 (Made the semi final of the Produce Stakes but it was in the 1/4 final where he really looked on the up. That night he drew trap 6 (unseeded) and he made his best start and it really seemed to suit. He was then knocked out in the semi final but returned on finals night to win in 29.79 over 550y from 6 this time seeded (w). He then went around Newbridge in a trial in early May in 28.46 but has not been seen since. I just hope everything is ok with him but the improvement he showed during the Produce Stakes was excellent and if he can show that around Shelbourne i think he could do a lot better than those odds suggest.)

I thought Tyrur Sugar Ray was a good price @ 33/1 but his last 2 runs have left given me more questions than answers. He clearly has the pace to figure in the Derby and things didn't go perfect for him in those races. Maybe i'm being a bit rash as he is very inexperienced. Like Power Of God he is another who wants to be drawn rails as so far he turns left from boxes but maybe with experience he may learn to hold his line run up.





A few of them have shortened a lot (Skywalker Puma, Camas and Captain America). Cashen Mafuma and Power Of God have shortened slightly. Sparta Maestro and Razldazl Will have remained the same price. Sparta Maestro in reality was never going to shorten that much and to be honest Razldazl Will has done nothing to warrant shortening and is bigger on here (rightly so). Anyway basically a month on i think there was some decent bets found.

You'll have to elaborate on what you mean as a level playing field but please don't imply every Irish runner is juiced to the hilt like the bellends on other forums.

Obviously it's harder for you lot coming over here but it's no different from when ours go over there, although Dolorus and some others plan it very well.

Either way it's a pity, Westmead Hawk and Ballymac Ruso made finals in recent years and Thurlesbeg Joker won the Plate. It adds to the comp when they come.

like I said befor does the red carpet go out!
do ladbrokes pull out the stops to mr l mr d mr w
Mr m! get them over it's a shame but I don't care got few ante bets can't wait!

I'd imagine it's a lot easier for some trainers in certain areas in England to get to Shelbourne Park than it is to get to Wimbledon especially on the Thursday/Friday nights of the Derby.

Woody if it's such a tough ordeal getting from Manchester to Dublin think you better off just watching on RTE player

No, i really enjoy it but financially, can only justify it once a year. Would like to come a bit more really. Been close to coming to Cork and Belfast but never came off.

PF, think diesel is about £1.50 a litre currently, in a van at about 25 miles per gallon, do the maths, very expensive. Maybe Dolores etc have rich owners, maybe English trainers do too, but know when theyre on a hiding to nothing, or barking up the wrong tree!

Anyway enjoyed the arguement but as i said it's pointless

You don't get run money mate, we don't reward losing over here [rightly so imo]. I know that shocks some of ye over there but that's the way it is over here.

You win €250 for winning a heat.
Dogs knocked out in round two receive €300.
Dogs knocked out in round three receive €500.
Dogs knocked out in the quarter final receive €750.
Dogs knocked out in the semi final receive €1,750 (in the Consolation the winner gets €2,000, 2nd gets €500 and 3rd gets €250)

On to the final. The winner gets €120,000, 2nd place gets €20,000, 3rd place gets €10,000 and the unplaced dogs get €5,000 each


That's how the prize money was last year, not as good as it used to be during the good days

No probs, i persume it will be the same this year, that shower won't put more money in it anyway

We don't have run money which is all i've known hence probably why i think it's better as i've known no different. Had enough slow dogs that couldn't get in the money and could have done with run money

Woody and i are never going to agree re English coming over (differing opinions) and i'm sure there is others who'd totally disagree with me re run money too

Fair points in a) re not able to leave the kennels. What i don't get is why don't owners send the dogs to a trainer over here, say at the start of July, couple of weeks to settle in and a trial and they could go for the Champion Stakes/Plate and then the Derby and once the dog settles it would give them a right chance.

The Drapers have a place over here still i think in New Inn (not 100% sure though) but their main dogs are young and Eden Star wouldn't stay imo.


Still they own the dogs and it's their decision. I just love when they do come over and think it really adds to it, the buzz around Shelbourne when The Hawk was over was unreal

agree re the buzz love it, i cant wait to get there. I remember following Chart King to Shawfield, to Wimbledon, and it was great cheering him on lap of honour at Don and was gutted when he knocked out of Irish, and he was Irish too but the buzz was ace a Wimb.

Re putting the dog over in July, obviously that costs, but also think the UK trainers dont want to give up the limelight where some would say it's because of the Irish trainer temp in charge.

congrat on your slow winning dog