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By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Apr 13 09:50
SkiWiz
The word nearly is not there to stress that you should not drop closer to the hole...that is a given.
It is there to imply that a player should not gain a better position or lie or an easier shot to the green
in any way.

It covers more than the distance
By:
HeinzGuderian
When: 13 Apr 13 09:50
There is as much chance of Tiger getting DQ'd as there is of an Aussie winning this.
By:
The Kitten
When: 13 Apr 13 09:51
Tiger Woods facing Masters disqualification?


Tiger Woods
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By Darren Plant, Reporter
Filed: Saturday, April 13, 2013 at 09:20 UK
Last Updated: Saturday, April 13, 2013 at 09:20 UK

Tiger Woods could be disqualified from the Masters after potentially dropping his ball in the wrong place.

The world number one saw his approach to the 15th green hit the flag and go into the water, meaning that Woods was required to drop the ball as near to his original shot as possible.

However, television replays shown the 37-year-old to have dropped the ball two yards behind where the previous shot was played from, something which the American alluded to in an interview after the completion of his round.

The four-time Masters winner told Sky Sports News: "I looked over the drop area, it wasn't very good.

"I went back to where I was, and took two yards further back, and I tried to take two yards off what I hit it before."


If he is adjudged to have dropped the ball in the wrong place, Woods would incur a two-shot penalty, which would result in the wrong score being recorded on his scorecard.





Has to be disqualified.
By:
wallis
When: 13 Apr 13 09:55
this was his quote to the CBS news

    "I went down to the drop area, that wasn't going to be a good spot, because obviously it's into the grain and it was a little bit wet."

    “So it was muddy and not a good spot to drop. So I went back to where I played it from, but I went two yards farther back and I tried to take two yards off the shot of what I felt I hit."


Has to be a d'q but I still think commercial decisions will overrule golfing ones here.
By:
marychain1
When: 13 Apr 13 09:57
They have no choice here, has to be a dq.
By:
the stunning
When: 13 Apr 13 09:58
CBS have lost all recordings of interviews it's just been announced Laugh
By:
The Kitten
When: 13 Apr 13 09:59
Sporting Index have suspended. Expect the fixed odds firms to follow suit in due course.
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 09:59

Apr 13, 2013 -- 9:50AM, lfc1971 wrote:


SkiWizThe word nearly is not there to stress that you should not drop closer to the hole...that is a given.It is there to imply that a player should not gain a better position or lie or an easier shot to the green in any way. It covers more than the distance


I disagree with that as when taking a penalty drop golfers always try to get a better lie or easier shot, so long they drop it in the right place within the rules. Now if Tiger went 10 yards further back then that wouldn't be in ''close approximation''. All i can see at this point is whether 2 yards is ''close approximation'' or not. I can see no other issues at all.

By:
The Wizard Of Oz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:01
• He could have dropped the ball, keeping the point at which it last crossed the margin of the water between the hole and the spot on which the ball would be dropped. Since the ball entered the water well left of Woods' position from the fairway, it would seem he did not choose this option, which would have allowed him to drop on a straight line as far back as he wanted.


Surely he dropped it on a straight line as far back as possible(all be it 2 yards)as the first shot hit the flag?
By:
padlock
When: 13 Apr 13 10:02
4.6 very fair price now
By:
scoobytoo
When: 13 Apr 13 10:02
Ski-did Woods drop as "nearly as possible" to previous shot ??
If there was that latitude -a yard or so then people would drop to help avoid trees etc etc
By:
The Kitten
When: 13 Apr 13 10:03
No. He should have dropped it in line with where the ball last entered the hazard, well to the left of where he actually dropped it.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Apr 13 10:07
Ski Wiz i think the point is you must attempt to drop the ball as close as possible. Tiger has stated that he
deliberately did not do this.
A lot of weight goes on what the golfer says...its a question of trust
By:
Wok
When: 13 Apr 13 10:10
You have to drop as near as possible, not somewhere close by, unless you cant tell where your original shot was played from, in which case you would consult playing partners/rules officials and agree a spot. This isnt the case, he knew where he played the shot from and should be dropping as close as possible not nearer the hole. To his own admission, and video evidence, he didnt do this. There is nothing of relevance about whether he gained advantage etc. Close as possible is close as possible, not close by. Personally cant see any other choice than DQ for signing for incorrect score. Maybe they will fudge it and not DQ him, but I think that would send out a very bad message over the ethics of the Masters tournament and rules officials.
By:
wallis
When: 13 Apr 13 10:11
ordinarily a player hits the ball into the water directly. So the ball "enters" the hazard at the point it crosses the water which is what we see all the time.

From what I can make out the ball entered the water in a different spot to where it crossed because it came off the flag stick.

Therefore any drop had to be from the point it entered the water which was on the left off the green. With this type of drop you can take the ball further back from the point of entry.

In Woods case he decided against this and instead opted to play from the original lie which means he MUST play from almost the exact spot. He cannot move the ball further back to improve his chances. His admission that he moved it a couple of yards back to improve his approach means he played from the wrong spot as it was not the original position and so he should be disqualified.

I think thats correct (according to my golfing club pro buddy).
By:
The Kitten
When: 13 Apr 13 10:11
Especially when they've penalised a 14 year old kid for slow play.
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:12

Apr 13, 2013 -- 10:07AM, lfc1971 wrote:


Ski Wiz i think the point is you must attempt to drop the ball as close as possible. Tiger has stated that he deliberately did not do this.A lot of weight goes on what the golfer says...its a question of trust


No not close as possible but ''close approximation'', so it all hinge on what the ruling body deems ''close approximation'' to mean.

Look at this site http://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2013/4/12/tigers-drop-on-15-grounds-for-dq.html

Quote "near as possible" to the original location.....notice the incorrect use of the word 'near' as opposed to the rules that says 'nearly'. Obviously some people are not paying attention to the English language.Wink

By:
bananaoasis
When: 13 Apr 13 10:14
The officials after giving the fourteen year old a penalty stroke for slow play simply have to DQ Tiger, with the eyes of the world on them, he dropped the ball in the wrong place, anybody else would be gone.
By:
The Kitten
When: 13 Apr 13 10:15
Well he wasn't "near" or "nearly". He has stated he deliberately moved it back a couple of yards.

No way on earth is this within the rules of golf.
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:16
@wok ''You have to drop as near as possible,'' - no, no, no, the rules said ''nearly''.

@wallis ''he MUST play from almost the exact spot.'' - MUST??? -  no, no, no, the rules said ''nearly''.
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Apr 13 10:16
The best thing for Tiger is that he is DQ...it is better for him in his carreer
There is no way looking back if he was to win and maybe go on to beat Nichluus record
that he would feel right about it.

It would be impressive if he stands down himself...he is innocent of any blame as it is
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:17
@lfc1971 - It is all about how the rules are interpreted and not about one's career.
By:
The Kitten
When: 13 Apr 13 10:17
I think that Tiger DQing himself is quite likely. The officials may even give him the opportunity to do so. Bit like a football manager leaving a club "by mutual consent" instead of being sacked.
By:
padlock
When: 13 Apr 13 10:18
oh ffs will i back him 4.6 seems tempting
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:18
Someone had a go at Poulter and Poulter tweeted ''If you can't afford to bet don't bet. It's not my fault, you don't ask for your money back when your lottery numbers don't come in. I tried.''LaughLaugh
By:
wallis
When: 13 Apr 13 10:19
Ski wiz - "nearly" the exact spot is not 2 yards away. They have a divot mark and would place it right next to that. You cant have the exact spot because of the divot , hence why its described as nearly.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Apr 13 10:19
He's blatantly said he moved it back to get a better shot at it, how on earth does he not get disqualified for doing something like that, would set a dangerous precedent if every player was allowed to move the ball where he felt like to get a better shot.
By:
bananaoasis
When: 13 Apr 13 10:19
im waiting til he gets to 1000 Cool
By:
lfc1971
When: 13 Apr 13 10:19
Ski

I am thinking of how Tiger feels about himself as he plays in the next 20 years
Nice to walk out on to a golf course without too many shadows
By:
The Wizard Of Oz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:19
Well people must be mad to be backing Woods at 4.6 or 4.7 as currently happening, as even if he isn't DQ (and it must be evens he will) by the time he tees off he won't be much lower than possibly .2 or even longer if someone of importance at -1 or evens has moved and gone past him.

I remember a few years back Harrington got DQ in a tournament over here and that decision wasn't made until about the time the first people teed off. So as they are 5 hours behind and tucked up in bed, any decision won't be made until at least 13.00 UK time!
By:
sickoflayinwinners
When: 13 Apr 13 10:19
cannot see how anyone could dream of taking 4.6 with the possiblity of him being dq. hell be 3.8   or bigger if hes ok.
By:
alun2005
When: 13 Apr 13 10:20
There's not a sniff of this story on the front page of the BBC Golf website
By:
padlock
When: 13 Apr 13 10:21
the bbc golf are always way behind
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:22

Apr 13, 2013 -- 10:20AM, alun2005 wrote:


There's not a sniff of this story on the front page of the BBC Golf website


Oh the BBC employees are lazy sods.....they all still be in bed.

By:
the stunning
When: 13 Apr 13 10:22
Has to tell everyone he gave his driver to a kid on 18th.Cry.
By:
turnip turns
When: 13 Apr 13 10:23
http://www.skysports.com/
By:
padlock
When: 13 Apr 13 10:23
this masters bfast show sucks imo
By:
Ski-Wiz
When: 13 Apr 13 10:24
Graeme McDowell ''What message are we trying to send out to the world giving the 14 yr old kid a shot penalty today? It was a 6 hr round. Why single him out?'' - I agree with him.
By:
turnip turns
When: 13 Apr 13 10:24
http://www1.skysports.com/masters/story/24512/8635457
By:
tomking
When: 13 Apr 13 10:27
3 shots off the lead, a host of good players all in contention and facing possible DQ?

LAY.
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