Spot on Eldrick!!! i knew there where some sensible people on here!!

There is no difference Eldrick. If you think there is, tell me what it is.

PS Betfair claim to be a bookmaker. The fact they'll only take a bet if they can get a guaranteed win out of it is irrelevant.

The "threat of taxation" - more mindless scaremongering from the embittered one.

Mug old ladies are you real!!!!

I do lots of charity work throughout the summer for numerous organisations which i find really satisfying. I am not much of a flat man, as you dont get many fallers.
And when i am not doing that i go to my villa in spain with my wife and kids.

Plus i have got a very successful business selling tips to mug punters like you ..Lol

show me the money

imo there are some big potential problems, particularly with US based events.

I was looking at some betting on a big race last year, one that Big Brown won but I can't remember which one it was, and it seemed that the timing of the suspend coincided with the televised start of the race, but TV was on a five minute delay for contractual reasons.

That's extreme, but having been to a couple of US tracks, it really wouldn't take much to set up a 3G connection via a UK based VPN tunnel, you'd be well ahead of the pictures. No-one in the US is betting via Betfair because you can't operate the site from a US ISP, so you'd be up against UK punters on the satellite pictures. It's only really the lack of liquidity that probably makes this uneconomic, but you could easily extend the idea to tennis or something and have a significant edge.

Not just betfair either, a lot of bookies are now operating streaming services with attached betting, and they're a step ahead of their punters.

A valid point that has only just been skated on really.

The books abuse the potential pitfalls of inrunning far greater than any MMs on here do. Operating within the framework, whilst feck may frown on it, is at least operating within a playing field of sorts - no, its not level, but on here you don't get the following:

30 seconds plus to be told whether a bet is accepted or rejected (can extend into longer, even 2 minute cases have been reported) - and inevitably if things go against you the bet was accepted - if they go for you it was rejected. Feck might argue that this DOES happen - but not to the same extent. But these books still have plenty of in-running punters who choose them ABOVE betfair, despite these shocking practices. Of course, at most of them you have to be a mug (or at least profiled as one) to even get a bet on anyway!

My point really is that any challenge needs to be levelled on an industry-wide, not at betfair, basis. Whilst the platform and information used might not be deemed fair - its still better (fairness-wise) than most if not all of the competitors.

The "threat of taxation" - more mindless scaremongering from the embittered one.

More cringeworthy, crowd pleasing crawling from the bouncy castle one.


Feck, do you regard those that win by betting using a time advantage as winning by unsavoury means?

frog, yes, but I don't blame them for doing it, nor am I moralising about it.


Treble, I agree but I don't think two wrongs make a right. Besides, the bookmakers are ripping off people on their own behalf whereas betfair are setting customers up to be ripped off by other customers. Where's the logic in that?

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Anybody would think they have an agenda.......

I dont see it possible for everyone at home, on the internet or at the course to have exactly the same feed to live horse racing, so the problem will always be with us. Betfair do clearly state this on the betting page, whether they can add more info I am not sure.

Now that fallers/unseated cant remount perhaps betfair could press a button to retrospectively void bets on that horse, but because they have not addressed 0-0 correct scores when a goal is scored I doubt they have much incentive to change anything. Likewise to remove the crucial time advantage they could if they wanted suspend inrunning betting in the final furlong or two, but that might spoil the fun for many.

As stated above, play if you want; but if on checking your p/l you are a loser at inrunning then DONT PLAY.

Feck if people dont bet then betfair might do something. The one advantage all punters have is the ability not to bet.

They say they already have done something hazel. They're supposedly using the pc to replenish the stock of marks. I'm saying, long run, wouldn't they be better hanging on to the marks they've already got and removing the threat of taxation by doing away with the artificially created glut of 'professionals'. I don't think betfair are thinking long run though. I suspect many of them don't care what happens beyond the float.

Hazel, re the :
Now that fallers/unseated cant remount perhaps betfair could press a button to retrospectively void bets on that horse, but because they have not addressed 0-0 correct scores when a goal is scored I doubt they have much incentive to change anything.

They may have to, i am sure the gambling commission had an objective to make betting fair. To this end, laying a faller is a void bet. If it cant win it is no longer a bet.
This is regardless of what in running players on here want. Betfair is not above the remits of the law, and in running punters who want no regualtion have no case.

I suggest if a few cases of bets taken when a horse had fallen is taken now through any gambling body THEY MUST SETTLE AS VOID.
Anyting else and the commission is in breach, surely.

I also suggest that anyone who wishes to take further action against a bet settled clearly after the end of the race could also insist on a refund of bets taken after the official finish.
Certainly could get messy, but by law through the commission, if your bet cant win then there is no bet.

In running punters myself included, operate by Betfairs code of when they suspend and start a race, and that pictures arent live. Its effectively a Betfair self regulation, but there are so many things that should be regulated, ie the official finish, and laying fallers.

Any in runner, will moan like hell about if you dont like it dont play, but that doesnt wash with what has been set out in the commission.

It just appears to me people wouldnt moan about trying to get money back on a faller. Maybe because they think it would be hard to prove, but instead it should be on Betfair to prove it was still on its feet. For me the sh*t could really hit the fan if it was taken in a constructive argument to the commission or to MPs to act upon, but who will do it.

Sorry, forgot to say it doesn't have to be a low liquidity event. It's all about being at the head of the queue. All the better if you know what the odds should be but if you don't then do what most of the 'experts' on here do - i.e. copy.

gl Scoop dont let these mugs grind you down ..

Taxation of betting is another subject, but it certainly is possible via the same method (turnover) as was used in the 1960s and 1970s on bets accepted from UK residents wherever the bookie lives. As the US has shown, legislation can reach offshore bookmakers without too much trouble, and the big UK bookies would probably fall into line rather than risk punitive taxation on their shops.

The idea you can't tax betting because losses would have to be taken into account is nonsense really. It's a sales tax, not an income tax.

On in running, people will take punts on slow pictures, and sometimes they'll win, sometimes they'll lose. The bets you can't win are relatively few and far between, but IR on jumps racing is obviously risky, and I'd say tennis would be up there too.

Why dont BF just pay the racecourses so they can send Flash pics on the net. Problem solved for all.

because theres nothing actually substantial in your 3 'happenings', frog

this for me is what could cause the downfall of in play betting.

If faller is laid after it has fallen then it has to be a void bet because of the rule change.

If the rules say that a horse cannot remount then it is a bet that cannot be won.

This could bring the whole house of cards crashing down.

Is it possible to bet in-play on the next goal during a football match staying in the stadium?
Which is the delay in the football matches?

Depends on how you're watching it. Terrestial TV and analogue radio is almost instant, satellite TV has a 3 or 4 second delay, Freeview has something similar, streamed video can have much more.