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Rachel Riley says she will stop supporting Man United if they bring back Greenwood
Rachel Riley says she will stop supporting Man United if they bring back Greenwood
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I am worried about you Nobby!
 Or jealous! not sure which! |
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only slight problem with the NO ONE NO,S SCENARIO
is that what we do no is someone [her ] put the tape in public domain and involved the police and were involved enough with police to form a case to send to cps,none of this possible without her involvement, the rough sex took up to a yr to become A THINGY,could have told police/utd within 5 mins,maybe it took them nearly a yr to play ball and accept untold/unknowm riches |
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Mason Greenwood potentially moving to a club in Saudi Arabia would be "very surprising", a senior league source has told BBC Sport.
Forward Greenwood, 21, will leave Manchester United by mutual agreement after a six-month internal investigation into his conduct. Saudi teams have spent lavishly on big-name signings this summer and Greenwood has been discussed internally. However, the league feels it would not be the right move currently. The acquisition of players in Saudi Arabia works differently to elsewhere, with the league doing the bidding or deals for players before assigning which club they will play for. Last year also saw the inaugural season of the Saudi Women's Premier League. Women's football in Saudi is "breaking records," the first female vice-president of the Saudi Arabian Football Federation (Saff) Lamia Bahaian said on Friday. The Saff recorded an 86% rise in registered female players last year, while the number of women's clubs nationally also rose by 56%. The source added: "The government have created a women's league, which is about to start its second season on 11 October. That is also an important difference because it is being seen as for the whole community. "That is an incredible change, women's football was totally frowned upon; now there is a national team with a Fifa ranking. "Women are playing without head coverings and there are male fans in the stands, that is a big cultural shift." Slow changes, but one day... |
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theres people living amongst us plenty on here ,who must believe AL CAPONES only crime was tax evasion
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Some think he was framed for that too
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lurka 21 Aug 23 19:20
Can't believe some people are still jumping to conclusions here when there is obviously new material and especially after that statement from Arnold today that confirms that and says they are satisfied he didn't do what was alleged, he is back with her & they've had a kid. Have you considered that she may not be telling the truth? She posted pics with bruises and blood and Arnold is saying the club is satisfied after seeing more evidence than we did that he didn't do that to her, effectively. They would not say something like that if they weren't almost certain that that is the case. It could well be a case of a crazy woman or woman scorned, that certainly seems more likely to me at this point. She could have doctored the audio for all we know. Can't believe Greenwood got back with her and had a kid etc. He and the club say he didn't do what was alleged and, if so, she has completely ruined his England career and reputation, at least badly damaged his club career and they will all likely have to emigrate now. Aren't the anti Greenwood brigade who believe that the audio was a complete and concise piece of evidence that accurately described what went on just a little bit curious to the level of confidence United must have to even suggest that.? |
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you mean like brentford believed troy when he told them he was innocent befotre admitting to over 350 betting offences
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theres people living amongst us plenty on here ,who must believe AL CAPONES only crime was tax evasion
What do you think Greenwood has done that warrants him being excluded from football. Give us a simple list. |
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Being a Manc
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Not really no, nothing like that, Brentford hadn't said that they'd seen evidence not available to the rest of us.
We're talking about sexual abuse, battery and United are prepared to state that they don't believe it on the basis of further evidence that they've seen....that is a huge statement and puts them right out on a limb, they must be 100% confident. |
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He is obviously a paragon of virtue and how anyone can believe he could be accused of such things is quite incredible.
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How do they know ?
walofs! Maybe Dorris Johnson could have made Greenwood a Peer of the Realm! |
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I think that we will see the further evidence in due course, what I think might be happening to all intents and purposes is that they are letting the anti brigade hang themselves, letting Greenwood's innocence be concealed for the sake of the girl, this will all work in his favour in the long term as the story will be that he didn't want to expose her because at the end of the day she's the mother of his child, they are together and he loves her so he is protecting her.
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Yeah, right.
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Which brings us back to "WTF would you want to be with someone who set about publicly trying to destroy you?"
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you might be right duffy but the only flaw in your theory is that football people are stupid from the fans to the owners!
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Latalomne 22 Aug 23 17:07
Which brings us back to "WTF would you want to be with someone who set about publicly trying to destroy you?" No, because that wasn't necessarily the whole intention, it could have been a couple simply messing about, it was even denied that she gave the evidence to the Police, it could easily be that someone else got hold of it and acted and it just spiralled from there, I keep coming back to United's confidence, that must be built on something solid. |
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Unlike the intelligentsia that resides on here , whispering.
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Duffy - at some point she must have been going along with the case, otherwise "the key witness" could not have withdrawn from it.
Surely if it was all as innocent as you want to believe, she would have quashed it the moment she was first spoken to by the police about it? |
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Were they ever estranged through this whole process? presumably they were
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you dont sit there quiet whe arrested /charged with attempted rape
, so we can only assume greenwood used his current defence within 5 mins of been interviewed by plod,we,re then led to believe despite 12 months of manchesters finest investigating this a file was still passed to cps for possible prosecution ,the only believable scenario is that it took over 12 months for those involved to take the bungs offered them to agree to stand aside,anything else could have been investigated within 24hrs to a week and greenwood cleared,rough sex/dirty language foreplay etc,etc |
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I read an article a few months ago that said there was an order in place that was supposed to keep him a certain distance away from her, but the police were reportedly turning a blind eye to it and knew what was going on.
She posted this on 3rd Feb 2022: “I’m grateful to everyone that has sent messages of support and encouragement – thank you. The last few days have been very difficult and I’m taking a break from social media while the police make their investigations.” |
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turned a blind eye
he was charged with breaking his bail stipulations wasnt he ? |
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The Mirror headline is:
"Mason Greenwood: Police 'deliberately ignored' bail breaches during investigation" |
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latalomne, i read that key witnesses (presumably the alleged victim amongst them) withdrew cooperation in april last year yet later in that year he was charged with various offences - the cps dont need a victim to agree to bring a case (caroline flack's bf withdrew his complaint but they felt they had enough evidence to continue anyway).
i doubt the cps will say what the new material is, one or more of those involved may reveal more details but probably not if that incriminates themselves or someone they care about. yes he was 1tposter, i think he was taken into custody for a few days in october 22 for breaking his bail conditions then released again after being charged with various offences. the tape proves nothing, it does appear very damning but we are talking about criminal proceedings and various reasons why it may not be as it seems are entirely plausible, as some have said on here. |
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latalomne they arrested him and put him in custody, red top misleading is hardly a surprise.
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JSM - I know they don't need a victim (but there has been some pressure to not pursue without one post-Flack), I was merely responding to Duffy's dream scenario and how that withdrawal sits within that.
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Ah, OK, so he was arrested for breaching bail conditions once, but the police had been knowingly letting him get away with it for months.
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Greenwood’s lawyer, David Toal, admitted the breach had taken place, saying: “I absolutely concede it is his responsibility to abide by all bail conditions imposed.” He also added: “Contact has occurred for many months" but maintained it was “no secret” to Greater Manchester Police.
District Judge Mark Hadfield responded by saying: “What I am being told is the defendant flagrantly breached the conditions over weeks or even months and police haven’t done anything about it.” He underlined his point by adding: “If they suspected breaches of bail, the police should be doing something about it but haven’t – why not? What’s the point of someone being on bail conditions if the police don’t enforce them?” |
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i think the charges in october did include something in relation to bail offences.
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my extensive legal experience (aka google searches) found this article from the guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/02/prosecutors-drop-alleged-case-against-mason-greenwood amongst the last few sentences some pretty astounding comments A court heard last October how a central plank in the inquiry had collapsed only four months after Greenwood was arrested. It is understood that police and prosecutors initially decided to continue with the case because of the significant level of public interest, given Greenwood’s high profile and the seriousness of the allegations. a central plank collapsed, how many other planks did that leave at the time? the idea that the police should continue because of public interest given his high profile and the seriousness of the allegations rather than just due to the seriousness of the allegations alone seems completely opposite to looking for actual justice to me. idk either way but that looks good for his defenders, imo. it looks badly handled all round with people jumping to all kinds of conclusions about him and the possible victim. |
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duffy,
ManU have got a £100m asset which they now can't sell or play. Do you really think they were impartial in making their own assessment about MG's behaviour?   |
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OTHER SCENARIOS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE,
that possible in a high profile case where there looks to be only 2,maybe a 3rd party involved manchesters finest after 12 months investigation couldnt find these other plausible scenarios and presumably niether GREENWOOD Or VICTIM told plod about them,and cps iniatially give thumbs up to prosecute |
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1tp, to get a conviction you have to convince a jury beyond all reasonable doubt, that is a really high bar.
if his brief and said they had consensual 'rough sex' which involved her repeatedly saying no when it was agreed before that unless she used a safe word (whatever that may be) then she was in fact happy for sex to happen even if she said no, is that not a reasonable doubt? there is also the possibility that the tape recording has been doctored in some way, which is what some on here are guessing at. too many imponderables for me, maybe but not you? the fact that the case was discontinued in february due to witnesses no longer cooperating (the main witness withdrew in april last year) and new material leading the cps to believe there was no realistic prospect of a conviction is the exact opposite of the open and shut case you seem to think it is. |
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Rachel on the warpath
 Riley told The News Agents podcast: “The statement that was put out proclaimed someone innocent from a position that they didn’t have any authority to do. That was way beyond the remit of Manchester United to even look into the criminal guilt or innocence, never mind the civil level of guilt or innocence. “I think it’s gaslighting for people to have two statements saying, Mason Greenwood himself saying he’s been cleared of all charges, which is not the case, the claims were dropped because the key witness dropped out, and they (United) claim new evidence. It puts wind in the sails of people who think they can get away with abuse everywhere. And I think for victims, it’s a slap in the face. It says you’re better to keep quiet. “I’ve never been more ashamed of the club. I think it’s just a disgrace. And they had another opportunity to make it right, make a good statement and they have just greenlighted the abuse that’s been going on on social media.” Asked whether Arnold should consider his position at United, Riley said: “Yes, yes I do.” |
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FFS theres only a field of 2 he and she ,it would take 2 mins for greenwood to say this and she must have denied it for 13 months,if greenwood had evidence to prove it was normal behaviour why didnt he produce it before case went to cps or like 99.9999999% of men in that position 5 mins after he was arrested,
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careful what you say about her, she is highly litigious.
because he was advised to say nothing 1tp |
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what brief never mind one been paid a fortune advises his client to stay stum for 13 months as papers are passed on to cps ,
one well known english international footballer paid the mortgage and a big bunce of someone prepared to take blame and do porridge,just takes others 12 months to get there |
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possibly he was waiting to see what evidence did or didnt emerge?
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