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VAR is becoming ridiculous with things like this happening !
VAR is becoming ridiculous with things like this happening !
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thats not red for citeh keeper
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how on earth has VAR not overturned that? the keeper didnt touch him
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only thing i saw was the players foot touched keepers head , apart from that, absolute joke
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bet there's still only 4 mins injury time
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VAR keeps finding a way to fail
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that was a complete howler of a red and it wasnt overturned
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VAR is a failure as the refs in VAR making terrible decisions are the same refs on another day making terrible decisions on the pitch but it is now an evens bet between VAR and the on field ref in any given game as to who is making the worst decisions.
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maybe there should be a market on VAR events
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It was supposed to correct referee incompetence and overturn howlers. Instead it is being used in a way that allows incompetent refs even more ways to be incompetent by letting them see more incidents to judge wrongly. In fairness in a lot of cases their hands are tied because the rules are just wrong/unfair.
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You mean missing an offside due to an armpit isn't a howler?!?!
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VAr isnt the problem , it's interpreting the absurd handball laws which give a pen for even the most innocuous thing. What lunatic created a law where any tiny unintentional brush of the ball onto an arm means a goal is disallowed even if several passes occur between it and the goal. You also get pens given for balls being blasted at arms like a rocket from 2 metres where a defender is expected to jump with his arms behind his back like the utd/psg game last season.
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VAR VAR VAR do do do do do ♫ ♫
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they should play that song while you wait 3 minutes for a decision
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In the case of Firmino's offside, the original decision of the lino was offside. That decision was probably wrong but not not a 'howler' imo and that is the starting point for the VAR people. I think it would be better if the VAR people just said 'pics inconclusive - decision stands' and that should take no more than 30 secs. What I meant by hands being tied is that they can't even do that for tight offside calls like that one and Son's against Leicester - they are forced to come to a definitive conclusion from pics which are not conclusive because they don't have the right angle to make a call that tight. They are forced to start drawing lines on the picture to justify the decision because offside is a matter of fact.
Once you start drawing lines on pics you have crossed the line into ridiculous territory. Your decision should already have been made 30 secs or a minute or more beforehand and the decision should have been 'pics inconclusive - decision stands'. As someone else said, their hands are also tied when it comes to some of these handball decisions - the rules say they have to look for even the most minor, insignificant brushing of the arm and rule out the goal. The rules need changing also. |
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This is the problem though, one man's inconclusive is another man's clearly on or offside. Very little in football can truly be deemed factual, GLT is about it. VAR isn't fit for purpose because the game does not lend itself to many factual, irrefutable decisions. This is probably why initially they said it's just going to be there to overturn clear and obvious errors, but there aren't that many clear and obvious errors either, and lo and behold before long as was entirely predictable VAR began inserting itself into anything it saw fit.
It'll never work because the tech isn't good enough, the game moves too fast, is far too subjective and on top of all that you have a set of rules and laws that get more opaque, contradictory and stupid every season. |
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It'll never work because the tech isn't good enough, the game moves too fast, is far too subjective and on top of all that you have a set of rules and laws that get more opaque, contradictory and stupid every season.
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yes Dirk but the original call in Firmino's case is the starting point. The sensible approach would be to say pics are inconclusive, original call stands. It would be the same if the lino's original call was onside. It would take you 10 secs and I don't think many fans would be up in arms either way. Drawing lines and calling armpits and toes offside is what drives people really mad.
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Its the clowns who oversee our game who are the biggest problem i.e. FIFA who use IFAB to draft new rules like these ludicrous handball rules separate ones for defenders and attackers,FIFA are the ones responsible for driving VAR forward and they really are not fit to administer our game but they are a monopoly,in the rugby union world cup final there was no silly drawing of lines across the pitch for the 1st try as to whether or not the pass was thrown forward it was just a case of the TMO having a couple of views then stating nothing clear and obvious to over rule the try and this is the stance Football should have taken i.e. clear and obvious which i am sure we all advocate but no we have a set of cretins in FIFA who do not understand the game,maybe we should get the rugby union guys in to determine how to run VAR as they will certainly do a much better job and while they are at it they can come up with some sensible and fair handball rules as all FIFA do is complicate it even further.
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It'll never work because the tech isn't good enough, the game moves too fast,
Think I've read the error rate in offsides is theoretically vast given they're putting lines on a pitch with barely more than chalk and a blackboard. Cricket does well to get round this by only overturning decisions if there is enough evidence to do so, rather than half evidence to come up with a new decision. |
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Killing the game stone dead as far as I'm concerned, next thing they will start having moving billboards with flashing lights & sausage dogs running up & down
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we have to just embrace the changes ...it's part of life ,good or bad . £££ will always have the final say
i dunno what sport will be like in 30 years time but far different to today i'd imagine ...but that's normal . |
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we have to just embrace the changes
i dunno what sport will be like in 30 years time but far different to today i'd imagine Begrudgingly I agree. Athletics has just ditched I think 4 events from the Diamond League, choosing so via online monitoring including which events get more clicks on social media!!! I wonder how much VAR has been ushered in via a similar route, with kids these days as used to computerised football as real football. |
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yep that's true and i'm sure they listen to the youngsters more than the old duffers for advice
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wise owl would have been a better choice of words
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It's not so much a matter of age, but changing the sport for the paying audience via the input of a TV audience or an audience that doesn't even watch the sport.
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Alientating core audiences doesn't work long term, the entertianment industries are finding that out, with the continued woke TV, movie and game flops.
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David McGoldrick's ruled out effort has got to be the best (worst) of the lot !
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Dreadful call against Shef Utd ,not seen yet
 reversed over 3 minutes later a Toe in it  |
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The game is f ucked.
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This is indeed the worst of the lot
The attacker is literally on the far side touchline He is leaning back Tottenham defender is leaning forward. They have literally found the only part of his body that is ahead of the Spurs defender |
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But did they check how far the hairs on the defender's knee were ahead of his body?
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They need to change it to football boots only from Monday morning
I'm all for VAR unlike many now, but the quality of Prem Refs is being shown to be so so poor |
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Thanks Poppy not seen , But a friend said unbelievable call
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Here's a still.
https://twitter.com/10Tolis10/status/1193202229349621762/photo/1 Asks many questions about just how accurate any footage can be. |
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Phones are busy in the Stockley Park trading room
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And to compound the dreadfulness of it it was an earlier phase of the goal.
The ball was cleared from that instance and then played out to the other side from where it was crossed in for the goal. Absolutely shocking call. |
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The knee is ahead of the Toe imvho ,
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That is beyond belief Old
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