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VAR is becoming ridiculous with things like this happening !
VAR is becoming ridiculous with things like this happening !
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my bet is they would just rule out the goal for the foul on the defender ,ignoring the preceding foul from the defender,its a mess.
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Surprised there's not VAR market pop up on big games...
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unless they decide to retrospectively play advantage and allow the goal. But no way should the goal be disallowed. That will only happen if they deem the challenge by the defender not to have been a foul but deem the challenge by the attacker to have been a foul.
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I think its a penalty, the foul by the attacker means the subsequent shot at goal doesnt count in the same way as it wouldnt if he passed the ball to someone who was offside that scored, if the on-field ref had tried to play an advantage for the first foul by the defender then its still a penalty as var can bring it back to the earlier incident
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Whatever it is, it was the same pre-VAR.
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think its more likely to happen with var as the rapid sequence of events is forensically broken down, lots happened with that arsenal goal, perhaps infringements both ways, common sense tells me the ref had it right and eventually they will get the balance right on var having swung to both extremes on subjective decisions in the epl version
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I think the rules are a big part of the problem as well as referee discretion - ie some referees would give it some wouldn't - that just breeds inconsistency in refereeing which is magnified when VAR is used. The rules need to be written more clearly and tightened up to minimise ref discretion.
VAR has already led to some fairly significant rule changes and will probably lead to more each summer. That might ultimately be a good thing but I don't think anyone foresaw that VAR would have that effect or that the same people whose incompetence VAR was introduced to rectify would be even more incompetent when using VAR. It's a shame that all this evolution in refereeing has to happen in real time in the biggest comps, affecting the most fans possible, and play out over what will probably be 3 or 4 seasons of silliness, assuming we ever get to a situation where VAR works as well as it does in Rugby etc. The starting point should be a strong reluctance to interfere with a decision or interrupt the game, like it shoud be used only when the ref has committed a howler that everyone at home can see. That's what 'clear and obvious' was supposed to mean I believe but it's descended into ridiculous nitpicking by the VAR people. |
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We all see things differently, so what you may think is a foul, i may not. Nature of the beast im afraid. Scrap VAR and get in the best refs from Europe on decent contracts. [Not sure if EUFA would allow that]
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Nobody foresaw that VAR would lead to more errors than when the officials just applied the rules themselves. It was brought in to reduce errors and is thus not fit for purpose, never mind all the delay and confusion that goes with it. They need another 2 years of trials in minor comps to prove they can use it right. Bin.
In June the PL announced that they wouldn't use VAR to check goalkeeper encroachment but I believe IFAB told them they'd have to and the PL website says they can use it in cases of 'A clear and obvious error by the on-field match officials relating to goalkeeper movement'. I was under the impression that this was not the case. Just shows how incompetent they are that they missed that twice yesterday. I did. Because it was obvious that the much trumpeted 'clear and obvious errors only' mantra would not survive contact with reality, and that's what happened. Unless it's absolutely black and white like a ball crossing a line then everything else is open to interpretation. They've taken the game down the rabbit-hole now, they'll never get out of it, once they started tinkering and using phrases like 'not interfering with play' and 'intentional' adding subjectivity where before there was none in the application of laws it was all over. Now the rules of a once simple game resemble the Brexit withdrawal agreement. People have whined and cried because humans make mistakes when reffing football matches, and now they've got more people making more mistakes and making a bigger mess of things than ever before and poorer viewing experience to boot. Of course there's too many vested interests and too many ex pro's and ex ref's and faceless VAR officals and facelss buearocrats on the football gravy train to admit its an utter disaster and go back to things like they were, just as imperefect but much better to watch. Here's my favorite VAR so far: Dutch game last weeked, Fortuna Sittard score a goal, a Fortuna player is fouled in the build up, ref rules play on, in the act of falling fowards the Fortuna player falls on the ball and inadvertantly handles it (he's been pushed in the back). Goal given. VAR intervenes, goal scrubbed off. Fortuna awarded a free kick...you couldnlt make that sequence of events up, it's either a goal or the other team have a free kick for the handball (how a player can be ruled to have handled the ball after being fouled defies any logic whatsoever to begin with), but there you have it... VAR is even WORSE than I thought it would be, they have screens but refuse to use them!!! I thought it was about the use of technolgy? But of course it isn't, it's about protecting the ref and VAR in the short term, while slowly moving the games away from the ref so they can eventually make all the calls centrally and shape the games how they feel like. It's never really been about getting decisions right, it's been about getting the RIGHT decisions for the vested interests, too much money in football to allow the refereee to control the outcome of the game. |
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Think VAR will quietly be dropped or vastly reduced at the end of this season.
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Watford not getting the penalty against Spurs the other week, worst decision ever seen on VAR.
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One of the problems with VAR is that they are only looking at the action from 1 perspective an example being the perfectly good 3rd Arsenal goal as the VAR numpty was only looking at any reason whatsoever that he could disallow that Arsenal goal and he found it in Chambers catching the Palace guy on the foot before he played the ball but in this one eyed view of the action the VAR numpty has not given any consideration whatsoever that just prior to this Chambers was fouled by a push and then fouled again by another push which led to him slightly catching the Palace player,they are not taking an overall view of the action and its a bit like in Rugby Union when the ref asks the TMO is there any reason why i cannot give this try well that happened to Arsenal as it was like VAR numpty,is there any reason i cannot give a goal.
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https://www.arsenaltrust.org/feed/news/2019/var
'The AST put it to the Premier League that the current implementation of VAR is totally unsatisfactory for the match going fan. This view was endorsed by all of the other Trusts present' ...... |
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in time i reckon in these situations, a club actually can buy the goal ...the two chairman and managers get together on the touchline and Arsenal offer say, 2m for the goal ? and Palace are suddenly 2m better off ...everyone's a winner
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we also need sponsors ...
'this VAR decision has been sponsored by ' First choice holidays for your best holiday experience' all extra revenue imo |
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also a 2 minute commercial break during live games ...this gives the officials ample time to make a proper decision .
until we make these changes we will all be left in the dark |
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" MilK Cup Sponsored"
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no VAR in the milk cup tonight which is interesting ...
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How refreshing no controversial decisions tonight that i can recollect and fans properly celebrating a 100 % goal.
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Liverpool game would have finished about half eleven with VAR checking every goal and anything else that arose.
**** VAR. |
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VAR is undoubtedly the worst thing to happen to football in my lifetime. It's a game ffs. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to be exciting.
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Every time I back a goal and one goes in I go to the video and the ref has his finger to his ear. Would be useful for Betfair to post if VAR is used in a game they are covering as its becomeing an effing stain on the game.
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Yes agreed then i would not need to bother googling whatever league is playing to to find out if the stain on the game is being used as i then tend to give it a wide berth if it is as i don't trust Betfairs interpretation of when a goal is disallowed via VAR or if it was disallowed before VAR,it was a while ago cannot remember the foreign game but basically all the players celebrated a goal as i watched the ref point to the centre circle giving the goal then it was subsequently chalked off by VAR and Betfair refused to void all the relevant affected bets claiming the goal had not been disallowed by VAR but by the ref himself to which i disagreed as the footage they forwarded to myself even showed the ref pointing for a goal before VAR got involved via his earpiece so be careful.
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Refreshing to watch football in midweek without the curse of VAR.
Even worse in the stadiums, imho conspiracy theory is it's a SKY benefit. They brought in cameras so you can't f.rt without a camera picking it up, so by definition they've ruined the game. Btw watching rugby last week, two tries disallowed,at least the crowd knew what was occurring with audio and video keeping them informed. |
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I think VAR officials think have not had a good match unless they decide the result.
VAR is a good utility misused and abused by a bunch of little men. |
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I just watched the Barnsley v Bristol City game. It was strange. When Barnsley equalised in the last minute of injury time all their players and coaching staff and fans immediately went completely mental, caught up in the moment of it. Looked like fun. I was waiting for VAR but then I remembered that it was a proper football game I was watching
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See the first SA try in the rugby final? Looked like there may have been a forward pass but the angle was inconclusive and the TMO just says 'nothing clear and obvious' award the try. No drawing of lines on the picture or any of that nonsense, they didn't have the angle to tell conclusively as it was a tight call and the camera wasn't in line. Communication throughout so everyone knows what the story is. That's the way to do it. May well have been a forward pass but nobody can complain about the decision because it was the correct one to make based on the evidence available.
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I know that clear and obvious is irrelevant to offside calls but it shouldn't be. It should be a clear and obvious offside/onside on the video (depending on the what original call was by the linesman) or else decision stands. Simple. If you have to start drawing lines then that is not clear and obvious and you should already have made your decision.
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Whenever new technology is introduced into sports, it either works straight off or it doesn't - think of the third umpire in cricket or Hawk-Eye in tennis. VAR has now had more than long enough to prove its worth and it's clearly an outright failure, so FIFA should do the decent thing and scrap it.
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Its in the hands of corrupt human beings what do we expect
Same with the rugby today, 3 forward passes leading to the boks first try and not even looked at  They look at what they wanna look at for monetary purposes end of, if England were heavily backed by them I absolutely guarantee the people up stairs would have been in the refs ear Football gone the same way, its basically replaced the ref getting the s*** for controversial decisions. Someone on here did predict all this during the World Cup last year. "its a way to control the game" or something to that affect at least. The fans who have been parachuted in will lap it up sadly |
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"we've all had a cheeky tenner on a pen being given, ref. So we're going to find some bull **** to award one in a minute, we'll just say its rule 4400 paragraph 4ab5c343"
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A few weeks ago a player handled in the box and it was deemed a foul and no goal given
Next minutes the same s*** happens and the VAR boys are nowhere to be seen "tin foil hatter" mind |
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i agree lurka, i might be wrong but i think that is what they do in eredivisie for offside
last night it looked like for ajax's 3rd goal neres was offside on the freeze frame, commentators view and mine, no flag had been given by the lino, a few seconds checking and the goal was given, they wouldnt have had enough time to draw the lines, same for both teams and much better |
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Dutch game last weeked, Fortuna Sittard score a goal, a Fortuna player is fouled in the build up, ref rules play on, in the act of falling fowards the Fortuna player falls on the ball and inadvertantly handles it (he's been pushed in the back). Goal given. VAR intervenes, goal scrubbed off.
Fortuna awarded a free kick...you couldnlt make that sequence of events up, it's either a goal or the other team have a free kick for the handball (how a player can be ruled to have handled the ball after being fouled defies any logic whatsoever to begin with), but there you have it... if hand ball is in players own box, is it a pen?, or have they thought about it enough to do something else? |
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In Rugby, the ball can travel forward due to Newton's Laws if the player is moving forward and has momentum. That doesn't mean it's a forward pass necessarily. It is possible to throw a ball backwards and it can move forwards if the passer is moving at pace.
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Liverpool goal disallowed because Firmino's hand was in front of defender, as you cannot use hands how can that be used for offside !!
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