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I don't think we had the money to pay a top manager when Emery and Arteta were hired. We had to pay off the prev manager and had a very limited transfer budget. We did last summer due to FFP relaxations from covid, the owners pumped in a lot of money (which will prob have to be repaid) even tho we had no gate receipts for a year and had lost our euro football revenue. Not sure that can/will happen again as FFP relaxations will prob end soon and that money is gone now.
It was prob our only chance to either get a top guy in or to bolster the squad with quality which will take years otherwise. The owners need to realise that spending big on the right manager is much smarter than backing a cheap option. But perhaps that ship has sailed now. I wouldn't really criticise them for it as they didn't have to do it and fans have been crying out for them to do it for years. I think another manager, not necessarily top level, would have Saliba, Guendouzi, Auba as regulars in the team and performing well, playing a system which suits the players he has. The likes of Saka, ESR, Martinelli too all look capable of producing a lot more than they do but they don't have a top striker to feed and don't look like they know what they are supposed to do with the ball most of the time. No game plan up top and little movement. |
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Meanwhile cast-off Unai takes moneybags Villareal to CL semis a season after lifting the Europa League trophy.
The man wasn't given the respect he deserved. |
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Arsenal and Arteta are complete gash. Who loses three on the bounce to bottom half teams at this stage of the season? Only a team that would lose a winning lottery ticket!
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Sh!t v sh!tter
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if we had ambition in the club arteta would be gone tonight, but we haven't
how the hell was emery sacked but this is allowed to continue it doesnt make any sense win our last 7 we are 4th , in our own hands still, we are all crap but someone has to come 4th absolutely no chance under this current manager the way they are not playing for him , so why not give someone else a crack, nothing to lose now same **** squad of players yes, but utd and spurs are still stuttering, you cant tell me its not worth a try rather than just accepting our fate |
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mainly because of the FA cup win and no fans in the stadium for half of it.
It's not going to happen but I'd like to see him stay until a suitable candidate is found or becomes available and then fired without notice once we agree terms. He's not going anywhere this summer anyway. We'd get 4th with a proper striker and a manager who knows how to coach an attack. Arteta has bought Odegaard and Willian in 2.5 years. Buying a striker is not going to fix things and no reason to think he's going to buy a good one. Learned under Pep and Wenger and he doesn't have a clue how to attack? Big red flag. We'd be doing well to finish 3rd in a CL group tho. |
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Of course that is what WILL happen Lurka
I just feel this is our best chance of top 4 in the immediate future and we are not out of it yet. With Newcastle in the mix next year and Utd and Spurs surely better, I think its this season or not for a long time (or until we find a new owner) |
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Great atmosphere last night in the away end. Genuinely didn’t see that result coming. Football, eh?
Still think we’ll be 5th or 6th given the respective run ins. Having beaten Chelsea away, it’s almost written that United will turn up on Saturday. |
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The Arsenal fans were great last night |
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This season reminds me of Emery's first when ourselves and Spurs dropped 11/15 points in our last 5 games and United dropped 13. Lose 3 in a row to lower sides then beat both United and Chelsea by 2?
I think we've been quite poor for over a month now but somehow in pole position for 4th again. Lucky to meet West Ham between EL SF legs and then Leeds at home. 2 very winnable games. Could actually clinch 4th with a result in the NLD. But not smart to make any predictions. |
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Agree lurka (when was the last time that happened).
The point about playing West Ham between two legs is well made. Whether we will be able to take advantage of it is another matter. Leeds could go either way if we’re nervous. We were good in parts yesterday but United were a bit unlucky and on another day…. Still nothing guaranteed though. Great atmosphere inside the ground though wasn’t it? Felt a while since it’s been like that and Arteta has to take some credit for forging a reconnection with the fans. |
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well the team made me look stupid with those two results
never thought we were out of it but didnt see the turn around this week circumstances went our way, and i was amazed ronaldo didnt take the open, he scores 2-2 the way teh game was going we could have gone on to lose and chelsea missing key defenders, maybe lady luck is smiling on us now lets hope we can see it through , and then attract some better players |
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Arteta is quite clearly the best manager since Herbert Chapman
 I have an idea to read back through this thread after a few bottles of London Pride. I think it would be quite amusing. |
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Wherever you got that impression, I'm sure it ain't from reading this thread
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Whilst not being prepared to bet on it I think Someone did say Arteta is ok
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or deserves a chance
Which imho is tantamount |
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You playing Westham with no recognised centre half
In middle of two big games in Europe Going be in great shape come north London derby where might not have to worry about the result |
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Oh pleeeease digger
You are not talking about Citeh or Toon fans. People used to being placed on the dung heap of life with their team and abused by the owners. London has more to offer bitter and twisted Arsenal fans after being devastated by failed promises. Landan has more to offer than Northern Monkey Land |
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There was justified criticism of Arteta earlier this season and last. Obviously, everyone wants Rome to be built in a day. It’s been very clear that the Board were going to back their man unless they were languishing in mid-table and I think as a result of that, they cut out a lot of the noise. The atmosphere inside the stadium is the best I’ve experienced for a long time. We have a terrific bunch of young players and a great platform to make further progress. I wouldn’t bet the ranch on 4th, but I think there’s a decent coach in Arteta and he, like his young charges, will make mistakes on that journey. It’s often overlooked that he’s the youngest coach, with the youngest team in the league.
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Agreed Fink - I don't post on here often but have said he must be doing something right on more than one occasion on this thread.....
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Classic end of season game today, tense atmosphere. Stadium behind the team. Definitely closer that it should have been given that Leeds were down to 10 men. They showed a lot of spirit, to be fair.
Pleased we’re four points clear. Derbies have generally gone with the home team in the past couple of years and I’d be surprised to get anything on Thursday, especially as they’ve announced Paul Tierney as the man with the whistle. Will then be a very difficult couple of fixtures, especially if Everton need anything on the last day. |
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What is it with arsenal there dirty cheating mob with manger
That sneak into his gran bedroom nick her last cigarette Can’t stand that word streetwise no it’s cheating Hate spurs think there sit back wait tactics like ours At Westham from dinosaur age I hate it myself but gets results now than |
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A lot of fans and the manager blaming the ref for that last night. Embarrassing and pathetic all round, always someone else's fault. It was a penalty and a red card. The second one could have been a straight red. Never the players' fault, which is why it keeps happening.
Rob 'Holdini' Holding was signed from Bolton after a single season where they finished bottom of the championship, 19 points off safety. Never been good enough for any top half PL side, never mind Arsenal. He's started over 40 PL games under Arteta, while Saliba is banished. No idea what he's still doing at the club. Totally out of his depth and yet another stupid red card in a big game. 13 in the league since Arteta joined. Brighton are second with 8 in the same period. And the media talk about the discipline Arteta has instilled in the squad? If we get top 4 we will be mullered in the CL. The only reason we are in contention is the poor seasons of Leicester, Spurs, Man U and not having midweek football. Zero improvement, in fact we are worse than Emery's first season and Wenger's final season after £150m spent in the summer. Even Ramsdale has looked average for the last while. Imagine we had midweek football this season too? The only thing the manager has done well is get the wage bill down. But that has only helped the owners, not the team. He will likely give Nketiah or Laca a new contract and sign a striker who doesn't score enough goals. Whoever he gets, he hasn't a clue how to attack. |
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depressing lurka
that contract they have just given arteta is up there with the wenger extension for the biggest own goal we have ever scored if we got 4th then yes but why give it early, it just stinks of a lack of ambition reading crap about how arteta is bringing us back into europe well he is the only manager in my memory who has taken us out of it by finishing 8th. Robbie Keane said last night if we finish fifth we should view it as a good season Hope he was taking the piss or we are really in trouble elneny xhaka holding still playing for us years after wenger left , why has that been allowed to happen? and going into last night with eddie as our only goal threat, spurs must have been terrified if we do get 4th we will need about 7/8 new players and we are only linked with whoever man city dont want anymore we havent learned from taking chelsea cast offs mentality of the whole club has never recovered since wenger viewed 4th as a trophy |
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ill disciplined, no composure and that's not just Holding... Arteta running around complaining like a maniac after the sending off instead of concentrating on getting his defence sorted out and getting a centre half on. His interview after the match was cloud cuckoo ranting. It's not as if this spurs team are much cop, they can't control games and rely on counter attacking, unless a team like Arsenal gift them a game (and 4th place). Impossible to imagine Arsenal have to composure or squad to tun up and beat Newcastle next week.
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Pretty dismal all round last night. Penalty was a bit soft for me, but we’ve had a couple of those this season and it evens out. Holding can have no complaints. You can pick up two yellows in a game, but to get the second so early was just reckless. Game was then over.
The debate about Arteta will no doubt start to rage again. It’s kind of a moot debate. The Board have set a direction for the club and will no doubt give him time. Atmosphere in the stadium has been the best I’ve experienced for years and the majority of the criticism is from the armchair fan. More investment clearly needed, but the upper level of that now looks unlikely as I don’t think we’ll get 4th and have been saying so since mid March given Spurs run in. I don’t see them dropping points which means we’ll have to beat Newcastle and Everton with a paper thin squad and major problems in central defence. Big ask. Lot of comment on Arteta’s rant last night. I think what he did was classic deflection. Politicians do it all the time. If this performance was five games in, I could have seen him calling some of the players out. But with two games left and the need to keep positive I can understand why he said what he did. I don’t believe for a minute he believed a word of it himself. |
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Biggest spend in Europe last summer, no midweek football, poor season from ManU & still struggling to finish 4th.
We are utter carp under Arteta. Let's face it, if this lot get CL footy, it'll be an embarrassment after embarrassment. We are poor against top sides: zero points v Citeh & Pool whereas Spuds unbeaten with 2 wins & 2 draws. |
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The best way for arteta to hold onto his job is to just miss out on champions league this season imo.
If they qualify and as wesdaq says they get Cl hammerings he will probably get the tin tac. |
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dont see the argument for wanting europa rather than c/l
we ve failed in that as well repeatedly aswell the big difference is that we may be able to attract better players if in it which hopefully means the end of watching the crap we currently are xhaka and elneny is probably the worst midfield ive seen at arsenal and ive been going since 1974 so ive seen some candidates we should get 4th on paper, but its the fact that we are just not very good that makes you doubt it in any other season we would roll over newcastle and everton that interview from arteta was typical wenger at his best, blame everyone else but yourself i know im living in the past but can you imagine adams rocky vieria keown etc going there last night in a game that important and putting in a display like that ok we are not there anymore but surely you have to have those aspirations as an owner of a club our size, or make way for someone that does? |
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I don't think we'll get 4th now but you never know.
Some people saying Newc are on the beach but they've just played Pool and City. In good form otherwise, especially at home and it's their last home game. I think they'll be more up for it than Everton, as I think Everton will be safe by then. We'll need two poor performances from Newc and Everton to win both. Been relying on that to win games for about 2 months. CL football will give us extra cash. Wouldn't trust the manager to spend it well though. |
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A lot of fans and the manager blaming the ref for that last night. Embarrassing and pathetic all round, always someone else's fault. It was a penalty and a red card. The second one could have been a straight red. Never the players' fault, which is why it keeps happening.
Respect |
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well sadly i was right all along, absolute garbage
two absolutely pathetic performances arteta should be gone but wont be, xhaka elneny and the last remnants of the old wenger era should be gone but wont be etc we wont recover from this for a very long time imo how anyone can class 8th 8th 5th as acceptable just on the back of improving up the table is beyond me |
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The 'improvement' in league position is down to United and Leicester dipping significantly. The only reason were are in contention for 4th this late is because Spurs changed manager for the second year in a row too and we've had no midweek football, but still our squad can't hold up for a full league season.
Pathetic interview from Arteta after the Spurs game and from Xhaka last night - these are big red flags as to the lack of leadership and accountability at the club still. The manager has surrounded himself with inexperienced 'yes' men who owe their Arsenal careers to him and banished numerous talented players who didn't, buying himself more time because the team is young. Inheriting Auba and playing a false 9 system was a big red flag from day one. Then giving him 350k a week to play left wing and another him £7m to go to Barca?! Spending 250m to replace Auba with Nketiah, Ozil with Odegaard, Saliba with Holding, Guendouzi with Lokonga, Martinez/Leno with Ramsdale, no strikers left under contract this summer. Not only is it a complete waste of money but it was spent to make the squad worse and less experienced. Gabriel is the only good quality signing he has made. This is some of the worst financial management in the history of the club imo and it has taken us back years. But let's reward him with a new contract and throw more money at him to buy a striker, something he's never done before  We'll be back to 8th with Euro football to play next season. |
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It's been as gradual decline for more than decade but in recent seasons the pace is picking up. As I said last week we don't have the composure, the manager or the squad to handle an occasion like Newcastle away when it really counts. I am so pleased I got to see Arsenal regularly 1998-2005 during that glorious period. This self destruct carp we play nowadays is horrible. I can certainly emphasise with what Spurs fans have been through for most of last 60 years and understand why they are so bitter.
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Unbelievable amount of luck in winning so many games since Feb/March especially. Blessed to beat Wolves at home. Villa, Chelsea, United, Leeds all abysmal against us and we weren't much better. West Ham between EL SF legs.
I thought the home game against City was actually a positive turning point in terms of performance against a top side but in reality it was the opposite. We went downhill significantly in terms of performances since that game. It's still men against boys against the top sides but recently against so-called lesser sides who are up for it on the day. |
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So many red cards as well. Most of them for idiotic stuff too.
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surely someone must be accountable for this but who will it be?
if no one then our ambition has totally gone? |
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I wouldn't necessarily want Arteta out for finishing 5th.
But the 3 year contract extension until 2025 they gave him the other week was inexplicable. Even if he had got 4th it's hardly like there would have been a queue of super clubs to take him away. A move that was very reminiscent of Man United with the Solskjaer contracts. Now, if he is struggling in 8th/9th come November there will be overwhelming demands for him to be sacked but it will be much more expensive. |
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The worst Arsenal since pre-George Graham.
Pep's former cone man is out of his depth. They never turn up when it really matters. |