Football
Is MESSI the Greatest?
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Messi is the best I have ever seen and I suspect the best I will ever see....
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Haha comparing Messi in Europe when promoting Maradona?
Messi has to win it on his own every year to compare to Maradona who never got past the second round in the European Cup. Sound logic. |
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Oh dear
JamDav is stooping to the level of abuse. Give us arguments young man keep your taunts to yourself |
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the root problem with all these debates is guys get completely blindsided by the supposed wonder of international football. its 99% total garbage. fat ronoldo holds the world cup scoring record for scoring goals against muppet teams. yeah he was great for barca before he got injured but u cant heap greatness on players for a few games of international foorball.
zidane also played great for france but compare his club career with messi?...........u cant. |
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If international football is garbage
what is champs league football? when barca beat a clearly cant be ersed Leverkusen 7-1? You only get to the meat of the champs Lg in the semi finals, most of the time. The rest is the irrelevant |
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the latarps is either on a windup or just ignorant.
2008–12 messi top scored in the CL every year, ffs. |
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the latarps...........a simple question for you...........how do u compare the last 16 teams in last few world cups to last 16 in champs league?.........please be honest.
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diego is simply the best player ever... cant even imagine what he would do in that current barca team.. 150 goals a season maybe ??
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messi's all time CL record: 0.78 goals per game.
no one else in the modern (post 1992) era breaks 0.7. |
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diego
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even messi knows
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I think you have hit the nail on the head, with that comment, viva el presidente
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More pertinently
how do you compare the last 8 of the UCL with Brasil Argentina Uruguay France Italy espana Deutsch Netherlands? Bearing in mind those international teams have unlimited playing potential at their disposal, have been preparing for the world cup for 2 years and dont have the distraction of league football 3 days later? |
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drugs cheat? hardly. he was a heavy recreational user, cokehead, etc, etc, performance diminishers, not enhancers. makes his efforts even more remarkable.
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European Championships are far stronger than World Cups, every country that gets to the finals of that competition is pretty decent. In World Cups you have all sorts of minnows playing and is the weaker of the 2 tournaments
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He was caught as a drugs cheat and was said to be on it for years before that.
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Cobblers cri****
mere presence of brasil and arg confounds that |
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Bearing in mind those international teams have unlimited playing potential at their disposal
----------- er, no they don't. they have playing potential limited by nationality. whereas club sides can buy who they want, limited only by money. they also play together continually, which raises the standard of competition. I'd back half a dozen club sides to do well in pretty much any world cup; there's usually one or two national sides about that I'd give a prayer to in the CL. |
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UCL Club sides have a squad limited to 25 players
There are about 150m people in brasil, half of them by my best estimate eligible to play for the mens national team. This idea that the UCL is the best thing since sliced bread is a something people have to get over. Yes its a good competition but seeing as it runs concurrently with national leagues does have a debilitating effect on its quality. |
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wtf are you talking about? yes, they have to name a squad of 25 players - just like national sides have to name a squad for tournaments. which I believe is 22, not 75 million.
duh. |
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A very subjective topic and we all will beg to disagree - not even mentioned here but apparently many knowledgeable football people (Bobby Charlton for one) say the best footballer ever was Duncan Edwards - he had the lot - what would he have achieved is something we will never know - and what about John Charles - plied his trade in Italy and I believe nominated in a fans poll as the best ever player for Juventus which is a significant accolade I would suggest
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why didnt napoli win the european cup?
Drawn against Real Madrid in Round 1 in '87 , and lost to a russian team on pens in '90 . It was not like these days when you can lose to Celtic and still coast through the group .One bad night and it was all over. They did win The UEFA Cup which had a lot of strength in depth back then. The Italian League was not so strong in 1984/85 as restrictions on signing foreigners had only just been relaxed as i recall . From mid 80s though Serie A was just taking the best players from every league except Spain year on year and so between about 1987-1994 it was the strongest league there had ever been IMO Obviously Maradona did not win things 'on his own' but the point is how unlikely any World Cups or Serie A Titles would have been won by those teams without him . |
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seria A was huge in the 80's........every person who was into football back then in ireland was glued to the weekly highlights show. it had a religious following. i know the defences were better back then but i dont recall diego scoring wizadry hatricks every second week like messi does. the odd swivle, free kick and penalty was the norm. now i have no doubt diego is just as talented as messi, if not more but the reality is simple. he didnt do the biz like messi. he wasnt as professional. he didnt want it as badly. messi would not have scored 40 league goals a season in 1980's seria A football but he would have scored a hell of a lot more than maradonna.
i await the onslaught now about 1980's italian defences. |
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Maradona was great only occasionally.
Messi is the first and only player to top-score in four consecutive Champions League campaigns, and also holds the record for the most hat-tricks scored in the history of the competition. In March 2012, Messi made Champions League history by becoming the first player to score five goals in one match. He also matched José Altafini's record of 14 goals in a single Champions League season. Messi set the European record for most goals scored in a season during the 2011–12 season, with 73 goals. In the same season, he set the current goalscoring record in a single La Liga season, scoring 50 goals. Also in that season, Messi became the first player ever to have scored as well as assisted in six different official competitions in one season. On 16 February 2013, Messi scored his 300th Barcelona goal. On 30 March 2013, Messi scored in his 19th consecutive La Liga game, becoming the first footballer in history to net in consecutive matches against every team in a professional football league. Messi later extended his record scoring streak to 21 consecutive league matches. The run ultimately came to a halt in a match against Atlético Madrid in which he had to leave play due to a hamstring injury. God knows how many he will have scored by the time he retires. |
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harry...........that is the post of this thread with the following line the standout "Messi set the European record for most goals scored in a season during the 2011–12 season, with 73 goals."
73 goals is insane. this lad aint finished yet. |
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Not harder to win , but a lot easier to go out early .
Argentina getting to the 1990 Final was miraculous really and mostly down to luck and the ineptitude of the opposition, though Maradona had his moments such as the pass that opened up Brazil. The 1986 Win was so much down to him . Teams were so occupied with Maradona they played very cautiously and only went for it when they were 2 down . England and Germany did this for 15 minutes and the Argentina defence was all over the place very quickly . Burruchaga and Valdano were good players but if you made a team of the tournament i could only see Diego making the 11 from the winners ( the 2010 tournament team would surely have 4 or 5 from Spain) Napoli had lots of good players but the Milan team had several of the greatest players of the last 50 years and Napoli were competing with them very closely for several seasons. |
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in maradonna's 7 seasons at napoli he scored 115 goals in all comps...........messi 73 in one season...........dear o dear........where is laparts
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messi would not have scored 40 league goals a season in 1980's seria A football but he would have scored a hell of a lot more than maradonna
No he would not, he would not have tactical Italian coaches literally making the entire team centred around him like he's had at Barca for years, Messi's record is great, but most of his goals have come from the donkey work of Xavi Iniesta and co and scored in the box after passing the ball into a coma, he is great, but how great would he be in a shirt other than barca ? He has recently being playing better for Argentina and scoring more, but mostly against lesser opposition, he doesn't quite look the same messi as he does in Europe. |
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most of his goals have come from the donkey work of Xavi Iniesta and co
stupid comment, considering the goals he has scored. how do these guys come up with this stuff. messi waltz's thru defecnes every week. |
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Napoli were their main/most consistent competitors over 3 or 4 years . Maradona's achievement at Napoli can be exaggerated 'he won it on his own' , but he was the difference between their being in The Title Race and being candidates for 3rd/4th/5th
1987 : 1st (before Careca signed) 1988 : 2nd (blew a big lead late on there) 1989 : 2nd 1990 : 1st After 1990, actually during it looking at that World Cup , Maradona was just never really fit again , either due to the accumulated knee injuries and/or his chaotic lifestyle. Sampdoria won it in '91 and Inter also had incredible players, including 3 of the best from Germany's World Cup side ,and really player for player should also have been somewhat superior to Napoli . |
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I know I said most of his goals come from them - not all,
And I never said his goals in south America come against poorer sides, I said lesser sides than European clubs - the majority of courtiers in south America are lesser (the word I used) opposition than the majority of the top European clubs, but that's neither here nor there, I'll put it like this - would messi is an Argentinian side be able to score as frequently against top European clubs as he does for barca I would guess not because he doesn't have the same service and the same quality around him |
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Do you even watch Barcelona brain dead jockeys?
Messi will make about 10-12 sprints a game trying to go thru defences, and most of the time it doesn't come off - most of his goals are inside the box and at the end of a long passing sequence |