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How the f is Roy Hodgson the manager of England!!!!!
How the f is Roy Hodgson the manager of England!!!!!
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The problem with England isn't with the manager its all down to the lack of developed intelligence from the majority of the players, while they may spend a great deal of time from a young age improving their game, it is to their detriment that they neglect to improve themselves from an educational standpoint, the majority of the players personal development will stop from around aged 14 when they are lauded by everyone they know and told they are cut above, their families , friends and club are all complicit.
The recent German world cup squad had a number of players who where comfortable giving interviews in English, how many of the current England squad have a second language ? I recall a few years ago Graeme le Saux being subjected to ridiculous taunts because he could string more than 2 sentences together and liked to read a broadsheet newspaper. Can anyone imagine that happening with any other country ? Thierry Henry getting a hard time for being multi-lingual ? I don't think so, have a look at yourselves. |
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jackdanny,
i agree with all of that. our players are well behind other nations when it comes to personal development which imo is just as important as technical ability, fitness and tactical nous. i wasn't suggesting our current crop of players are great, they obviously aren't. there are a few promising players but will they fulfil that promise? whatever the standard of player roy isn't the answer. he won't get this team playing good football. i just cant see it. |
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Metaphor- I believe that the improvement of technical ability which will benefit the most naturally gifted players is directly linked to personal development which unfortunately does not enter into the thinking of anybody involved in the closed shop environment of football in this country.
There is a young Scottish bloke who is currently a coach with Valencia(Ian Cathro) who came up with an innovative coaching scheme in Dundee a few years back, he had never played the game professionally and was not taken seriously by the establishment, he carried on regardless , a few of the young players he coached entered the youth academy at Dundee United and the then manager Craig Levien was intrigued about this group of young players who were light years ahead in technical ability and also mature for their age. Ian Cathro then became the youth coach at Dundee united and moved on to become the youth coach at the SFA , now coaching at Valencia via a Portuguese team. Everyone in this country needs to move away from the entrenched views of ex-pros and use the example above to think outside the box or football in this country will continue to regress at the same rate as other countries move forward. |
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HE`S A LICK , THATS JUST WHAT THE ENGLISH F A WANT
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English coaches are the problem, not the players.
Look at how English players improve when they are under the supervision /guidance of foreign managers, the English players under Pochettino, Dyer under Laudrup, Barkely under Martinez etc all got better, Dyer for some reason never gets picked, Systems and good players win football matches, English coaches, coach football out of English players, and then use them in internationals implementing poor tactics, look at the game against Italy, rooney on the left, I mean FFS Passing is too slow and when an English player has the ball, the other English players should be closing in on their own player to offer support, but they don't, they virtually stand still waiting for the ball, schoolboy stuff |
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Looks like he's been reading this thread.... and hasnt taken it well. He;s trending on twitter though... maybe he should have said 'F*cking b0llocks' sooner.
“I am entitled to [be annoyed], aren’t I? When you have questions like: ‘You had only two shots on target …’ We can’t get rid of the baggage, we can’t change the fact we had a bad World Cup, we can’t play those games against Italy and Uruguay again, but I think you will have to give me the entitlement at least. “If we had played badly, if a lot of players had had really poor performances, if the quality of our passing and our movement was nothing like I wanted to see and if our defending wasn’t as compact, aggressive and organised as it was for large periods, I would be the first to say so. But I am not going to say it’s not that, just because we had a bad World Cup. “You have seen an England team dominate for 45 minutes against a good opponent. You have seen us work very hard to create chances, you have seen players get in behind defenders in wide areas and miss crosses and, yes, I am not terribly happy about that. I would have liked the crosses to be a little bit better. I would have liked two of three of those shots to get past the blocking player and whizz past the goal. I would have liked Daniel Sturridge’s magnificent effort, from that wonderful [Raheem Sterling] pass, not to land on the roof of the net. “I saw a ten-to-15-minute period in the second half when I thought we were nowhere near what I wanted to see. I thought we lost the aggression in our defending and we didn’t attack anywhere near as well. Joe had to make a good save from a corner, and Norway almost scored again from a Gary Cahill back pass. But we saw a different system then. We changed it around and I saw some very positive moments. “John Stones, who has played hardly any games recently for Everton, stepped out at right-back and gave a very strong performance and when Chambers came on he did well, too. Henderson and Wilshere, in my book, were excellent. Delph came in to play his first game and showed some very good things going forward and, of course, Sturridge was excellent throughout. All I’m saying is I want to judge every game as it is. “Welbeck came on and showed his potential, so there were a lot of good things but the bottom line is this: before the World Cup, with all the euphoria, we were getting 75,000 people to see us play Peru. Now we have 40,000 to see us play against a much more difficult opponent. I can’t put that right because I can’t turn the clock back, but what I can do is analyse what I have seen and judge that through my eyes and not because someone is telling me: ‘Well, you had only two shots at goal’ because, for me, that is absolute f*cking b0llocks, I’m sorry.” |
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Roy's latest analysis:
“If we had played badly, if a lot of players had had really poor performances, if the quality of our passing and our movement was nothing like I wanted to see and if our defending wasn’t as compact, aggressive and organised as it was for large periods, I would be the first to say so. But I am not going to say it’s not that, just because we had a bad World Cup. “You have seen an England team dominate for 45 minutes against a good opponent. You have seen us work very hard to create chances, you have seen players get in behind defenders in wide areas and miss crosses and, yes, I am not terribly happy about that. I would have liked the crosses to be a little bit better. I would have liked two of three of those shots to get past the blocking player and whizz past the goal. I would have liked Daniel Sturridge’s magnificent effort, from that wonderful [Raheem Sterling] pass, not to land on the roof of the net." Roy, the performance was absolutely dismal and if you genuinely believe in even half of the above statement than you are deluded and should resign immediately. The performance was bad enough and it's fair enough for a manager to defend his players (only a friendly, players rusty, some promising individual performances, judge us on Monday etc etc). But it makes my blood boil that he comes out with such 'f**cking b*llocks' when we all watched the game and found it totally depressing. |
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Sorry CCM, beat me to it whilst I was typing.
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Unbelievable stuff mate... he's just so out of touch its frightening.
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I know. Not all of England's problems are his fault but these kind of comments are frightening. If he thinks that performance was good enough then we're in for years in the wilderness.
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If only we could go back to the glory days of Capello, McLaren, Eriksson, Keegan
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If Picasso had used emulsion paint he would have been Rolf Harris.
Given what this or any other English manager has to work with Hodgson is as good as any. Since Greece won the Euros, proving negativity can and does win tournaments, footballs priority has become a game of pressing, tight marking and stopping the opposition rather than an attacking free flowing game, especially at International level. It's all about results and not performance. About time the media owned up and admitted English football is and has been for some time mediocre, instead of exaggerating our chances in any competitions we enter, then the public will not feel so let down when we don't get far in them. |
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If Picasso had used emulsion paint he would have been Rolf Harris.
Only in the artistic sense !! |
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Hodgson took Switzerland to the 1994 World Cup.
England............ failed to qualify. |
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Hodgson is as good as any
Of course he is. Mourinho, Rodgers et al must really admire him. |
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jackdanny,
i actually agree with that. in many ways the worst people to become football coaches and managers are ex english pro's. coaching in this country is light years behind the top footballing nations. unfortunately our ex pro's are too closely associated with a failed system to be of any use. the coaching methods they know are just not up to scratch in the modern game and they are too closed minded and tbh often too arrogant to open their minds to new ideas. you are right, they don't take anyone seriously who hasn't been a professional footballer and i really don't know why that is. playing football and coaching/managing are completely different disciplines. yes ex-pro's have the experience but is it good experience? aren't they just perpetuating bad coaching. they were coached poorly and that's what they pass on...failed outdated methods. it's worth noting that jose mourinho was never a professional footballer, yet he is arguably the best football manager/coach in the world. |
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worrying that norway are considered good opposition
I was banging my head against the wall with sturridge the other night. 2 or 3 times in the 2nd half sterling and others were ahead of him in the box after a break and an early ball would have had them in, but he cuts back and forth and norway recover their ground, if he did this for liverpool as much he'd soon know about it. I don't mind him having shots when they are on but it's a TEAM game FFS and england are rarely a team without this sort of basic nonsense. How did hodgson rate Rooney, unless his form picks up, he is a huge negative in that position. We cannot have another situation where players not fitting in or performing are in the team because of past reputation (and imo he was absolute quality). |
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the trouble is those who think no other manager would do any better with the same players, of course this won't be tested until after another tournament.
England shouldn't expect to be winning world cups, why should they? But for me i'd rather see a better brand of football that is positive and quicker tempo. A brighter, younger manager given a 6-8 year plan in the style of a rodgers, pochettino,martinez type. There were teams at the world cup that are not full of world class players but their team ethic,energy and tempo got them further than us, you look at them player for player and they just are not better players. People seem to gloss over the importance of a team ethic, for me, england is usually a group of individuals playing at a foreign tempo to what they are used to week in week out. Why not try something else, the stuffy old/foreign managers have just seemed out of touch to me and their teams devoid of energy and ideas, the trouble is from the top my faith in the FA is minimal, they seem like an old dinosaur of an organisation, the whole aura around the national team stinks. |
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6-8 yr plan? with our media? the Press have been querying Louis Van Gaal after 4 games and he's proven over decades...they're easy going to give a young manager a fair crack over 6 yrs
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I don't expect it to happen dunc that's for sure
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Of course he is. Mourinho, Rodgers et al must really admire him.
Did those two apply or want the job? And remind me, Brendan Rodgers has won what exactly? |
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One excuse after another with Hodgson. Apparently now questioning an England manager about a performance that created only two shots on target is now 'F*cking b0llocks'. He doesn't want to talk about stats, unless it's the possession one when his team has the majority of it.
Nevermind, the clock is ticking and the sooner England get someone in that knows what they're doing the better. |
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Comparing club management to International management is just wrong. Hodgson has little/no choice to who he picks. And the quality and the expectations do not match.
Mourinho, Rodgers etc spend zillions buying the best available. A bit easier to have success when that is the scenario. |
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IF they lose to the swiss i think he's gone. FA will act once it starts to affect them in the pocket. His time is up should have gone after the world cup. Managers who had better campaigns resigned. England should not be giving long term contracts. It should be for one campaign at a time. Hodgson is on so much money he's going to hang on till the bitter end. The brand of football he's trying to play is horrible. The players are no world beaters but a manager should be able much more out of them. England don't play as a team. Sturridge being the prime example. Loads of times against norway he was trying to do it all on his own. A decent manager would be having a word in his ear. At liverpool rodgers would not put up with it.
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What has winning trophies got to do with it? Hodgson doesn't exactly have a cabinet laden with them does he? That's despite a career of about 90 years Managing. Surely playing progressive football and developing the youth is what we should be doing. Rodgers is excelling at just that. Of course the two I mention probably aren't interested, but I can't take anyone seriously who is suggesting Roy is doing as well as we could hope for, and that there isn't a better option out there.
Abject failure in the WC and absolutely no signs of improvement. |
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None of these won anything either.
Stuart Pearce (2012), 1 Match Fabio Capello (2008-2011), 42 Matches Steve McClaren (2006-2007), 18 Matches Sven-Göran Eriksson (2001-2006), 67 Matches Peter Taylor (2000), 1 Match Kevin Keegan (1999-2000), 18 Matches Howard Wilkinson (1999-2000), 2 Matches Glenn Hoddle (1996-1998), 28 Matches Terry Venables (1994-1996), 24 Matches Graham Taylor (1990-1993), 38 Matches Bobby Robson (1982-1990), 95 Matches Ron Greenwood (1977-1982), 55 Matches Don Revie (1974-1977), 29 Matches Joe Mercer (1974), 7 Matches Hodgsons record is comparable to any of these in competative games. |
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Brendan Rodgers? Weren't his team big odds on to win the league last year in the final few games? and won nothing.
It's a bit early to be calling him a good manager. No Suarez, no trophies IMO. |
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But that's irrelevant. Different players, different opposition, different era. It's no excuse to accept mediocrity to say 'ah but we've always been poor'.
Nothing will change with that attitude. Hodgson is a dinosaur. And as bad as we have been in recent years, on the evidence I watched he's taking us even further backwards. |
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So because they didn't win the league, he didn't do a good job last season
You seem obsessed with trophies. Liverpool have about as much chance of winning trophies as England. It's about being the best you can be. |
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Get used to it. England hasn't produced a World class player since Gary Linekar. World record transfer was for a Welshman.
If you do not have the quality you cannot play adventurous football, you would get hammered, think how the media would deal with that. Argentina in thwe WC weren't that exhilarating were they? That is International football today, negative. Would you really be happy to be 'good' as the USA, Algeria, just by chasing the ball around like a bee around a honey pot. Firstly, you have to admit England are ranked 20 in the world for a good reason, we aint much cop. |
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Couldn't disagree more. But no point belabouring the argument, we are never going to agree.
You keep praising Roy and the wonderful job he's doing, and I will keep my fingers crossed he gets booted ASAP. Lord only knows where Liverpool would be now if he was still Manager.... A lot worse than they currently are, that's for sure. |
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The list of previous England managers included some great club managers who won plenty ( can't think of any other way to judge a manager other than by what they have won), none of them improved England players above their club form.
It's a difficult job, much more so than a club manager. Different tactics needed playing Germany than playing Burnley. |
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You keep praising Roy and the wonderful job he's doing,
You can always tell when an argument is won when people start making sh1t up. I have not praised Hodgson in any post, just believe anyone would have a non winnable job. But it is easy to see why you dislike him, your a Liverpool supporter. The guy who took over from him didn't do as good a job as he did at that club did he? Former leg end Dalgliesh. |
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tbf the best manager ever to manage us was capello....once that failed you knew it did not matter who is in charge...they will fail regardless who they are unless they used extreme tactics like the german who managed greece and got lucky.
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How many International friendlies over 3 goals this week? International football is incomparable to club football, so when you have got players who are at best average it must be an impossible task, a bigger one than pleasing the media, who are all England managers in their own heads.
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If it doesn't matter who manages England you might as well employ someone on £30k instead of the millions paid to Hodgson. But, as we all know, that is bollox! It needs a manager that can get the best out of the current crop of players, or as a minimum play them in a formation/positions that they will improve in. Boring Hodgson was never going to set the world alight with his style of football. I would rather have seen England lose to Norway but have been entertaining and at least look like they might set the Euros alight in 2016...the chance of that under Hodgson is nil.
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Kenny was garbage. But he wasn't worse than Roy. It's nothing to do with being a Liverpool fan. I'm actually not @rsed about England anyway.
How do you 'win' an argument when we see it completely differently? To me you haven't made a valid point yet, so can't really see your 'winning'. You are saying no point replacing Hodgson as he's doing as well as anyone could. That means he is doing a good job in your eyes. |
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Spot on themover.
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And your point is, winning trophies is not a sign of a managers ability. So I'll leave you with your opinions.
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