How the f is Roy Hodgson the manager of England!!!!!

6-8 yr plan? with our media? the Press have been querying Louis Van Gaal after 4 games and he's proven over decades...they're easy going to give a young manager a fair crack over 6 yrs

I don't expect it to happen dunc that's for sure

Of course he is. Mourinho, Rodgers et al must really admire him.

Did those two apply or want the job? And remind me, Brendan Rodgers has won what exactly?

One excuse after another with Hodgson. Apparently now questioning an England manager about a performance that created only two shots on target is now  'F*cking b0llocks'. He doesn't want to talk about stats, unless it's the possession one when his team has the majority of it.

Nevermind, the clock is ticking and the sooner England get someone in that knows what they're doing the better.

Comparing club management to International management is just wrong. Hodgson has little/no choice to who he picks. And the quality and the expectations do not match.

Mourinho, Rodgers etc spend zillions buying the best available. A bit easier to have success when that is the scenario.

IF they lose to the swiss i think he's gone. FA will act once it starts to affect them in the pocket. His time is up should have gone after the world cup. Managers who had better campaigns resigned. England should not be giving long term contracts. It should be for one campaign at a time. Hodgson is on so much money he's going to hang on till the bitter end. The brand of football he's trying to play is horrible. The players are no world beaters but a manager should be able much more out of them. England don't play as a team. Sturridge being the prime example. Loads of times against norway he was trying to do it all on his own. A decent manager would be having a word in his ear. At liverpool rodgers would not put up with it.

What has winning trophies got to do with it? Hodgson doesn't exactly have a cabinet laden with them does he? That's despite a career of about 90 years Managing. Surely playing progressive football and developing the youth is what we should be doing. Rodgers is excelling at just that. Of course the two I mention probably aren't interested, but I can't take anyone seriously who is suggesting Roy is doing as well as we could hope for, and that there isn't a better option out there.

Abject failure in the WC and absolutely no signs of improvement.

None of these won anything either.

Stuart Pearce (2012), 1 Match
Fabio Capello (2008-2011), 42 Matches
Steve McClaren (2006-2007), 18 Matches
Sven-Göran Eriksson (2001-2006), 67 Matches
Peter Taylor (2000), 1 Match
Kevin Keegan (1999-2000), 18 Matches
Howard Wilkinson (1999-2000), 2 Matches
Glenn Hoddle (1996-1998), 28 Matches
Terry Venables (1994-1996), 24 Matches
Graham Taylor (1990-1993), 38 Matches
Bobby Robson (1982-1990), 95 Matches
Ron Greenwood (1977-1982), 55 Matches
Don Revie (1974-1977), 29 Matches
Joe Mercer (1974), 7 Matches

Hodgsons record is comparable to any of these in competative games.

Brendan Rodgers? Weren't his team big odds on to win the league last year in the final few games? and won nothing.

It's a bit early to be calling him a good manager. No Suarez, no trophies IMO.

But that's irrelevant. Different players, different opposition, different era. It's no excuse to accept mediocrity to say 'ah but we've always been poor'.

Nothing will change with that attitude.

Hodgson is a dinosaur. And as bad as we have been in recent years, on the evidence I watched he's taking us even further backwards.

So because they didn't win the league, he didn't do a good job last season

You seem obsessed with trophies. Liverpool have about as much chance of winning trophies as England. It's about being the best you can be.

Get used to it. England hasn't produced a World class player since Gary Linekar. World record transfer was for a Welshman.

If you do not have the quality you cannot play adventurous football, you would get hammered, think how the media would deal with that. Argentina in thwe WC weren't that exhilarating were they? That is International football today, negative.

Would you really be happy to be 'good' as the USA, Algeria, just by chasing the ball around like a bee around a honey pot.

Firstly, you have to admit England are ranked 20 in the world for a good reason, we aint much cop.

Couldn't disagree more. But no point belabouring the argument, we are never going to agree.

You keep praising Roy and the wonderful job he's doing, and I will keep my fingers crossed he gets booted ASAP. Lord only knows where Liverpool would be now if he was still Manager.... A lot worse than they currently are, that's for sure.

The list of previous England managers included some great club managers who won plenty ( can't think of any other way to judge a manager other than by what they have won), none of them improved England players above their club form.

It's a difficult job, much more so than a club manager. Different tactics needed playing Germany than playing Burnley.

You keep praising Roy and the wonderful job he's doing,

You can always tell when an argument is won when people start making sh1t up. I have not praised Hodgson in any post, just believe anyone would have a non winnable job.

But it is easy to see why you dislike him, your a Liverpool supporter. The guy who took over from him didn't do as good a job as he did at that club did he? Former leg end Dalgliesh.

tbf the best manager ever to manage us was capello....once that failed you knew it did not matter who is in charge...they will fail regardless who they are unless they used extreme tactics like the german who managed greece and got lucky.

How many International friendlies over 3 goals this week? International football is incomparable to club football, so when you have got players who are at best average it must be an impossible task, a bigger one than pleasing the media, who are all England managers in their own heads.

If it doesn't matter who manages England you might as well employ someone on £30k instead of the millions paid to Hodgson. But, as we all know, that is bollox! It needs a manager that can get the best out of the current crop of players, or as a minimum play them in a formation/positions that they will improve in. Boring Hodgson was never going to set the world alight with his style of football. I would rather have seen England lose to Norway but have been entertaining and at least look like they might set the Euros alight in 2016...the chance of that under Hodgson is nil.

Kenny was garbage. But he wasn't worse than Roy. It's nothing to do with being a Liverpool fan. I'm actually not @rsed about England anyway.

How do you 'win' an argument when we see it completely differently? To me you haven't made a valid point yet, so can't really see your 'winning'. You are saying no point replacing Hodgson as he's doing as well as anyone could. That means he is doing a good job in your eyes.

Spot on themover.

And your point is, winning trophies is not a sign of a managers ability. So I'll leave you with your opinions.

The media wouldn't allow 'entertaining losses', nor would England fans. Two matches like that followed by the sack amid chants of 'you don't know what your'e doing' ( Ask the Premierships best overall manager Wenger)

They want results. Didn't hear many complain about reaching the WC with boring football, just glad to get there.

i f we are never winning anyhting i'd rather have entertainment!

this is my opinion

id rather we tried to win....however unlikely that may be

I'm not sure about the "entertaining losses" being unacceptable. Friendly matches in particular should be used as preparation for competitions. If this weeks match against Norway was just that next weeks match is going to be a pretty drab affair! Hodgson seems to be of the opinion that a win puts him beyond criticism...after this week maybe he should reconsider that or be prepared for some more half empty stadiums!

i don't think against norway the 2 are mutually exclusive

i think roy only has to get 3rd place in this qualifying

that may be a challnege based on the last qualifying.

ukraine went backwards after the euros yet still shoul dhave won at wembley.
montengreo lost the plot when vucinic got injured.....so much so they got done 5-1 at home to modova!!!!!!!!the game after we beat them

The future maybe worse.

England under 21s being comfortably held 0-0 by LITHUANIA u21s, lucky not to be behind.

Loads of sideways, backwards possession. 'Progressive possession', football coaches call it.

4th July you are barking up the wrong tree.

With the players at his disposal we should be playing better and we should not be delighted at one point against Costa Rica! Any manager worth his salt would have us managing more than 2 shots on goal against Norway, or 1 point from the WC having played like lemons.

We may not have won trophies under Venables, Robson etc but we played much better and got a lot closer. That is all we ask. We do not have a bad team, not the best in the world granted, but better than we are showing. And that's the point.

Woy was never up to the job and never will be, you can make up all the BS excuses you like.

the difference between the way liverpool pass and move the ball at speed is stark compared with the laboured build up play of an england side with the same liverpool players in forward positions. that's surely the most damning indictment on hodgson

Clueless - World Cup was embarrassing with our best players on the bench as the boss was too scared to start Barkley etc, boring and dull & i'll be lumping on the Swiss..

in 10 years time we will be saying the same

it really doesnt matter who is boss.
ntil the players catch up the rest quality wise int he basics of the game we will always be "underachieving" in some eyes.

sure hodgeson dont help but no other englishman is capable judging by what we have.

we could take a real pro active stance and appoint roger schmidt...and play the next brand of the pressigng game but i doubt our players are even clued up enough to play that..

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/sep/05/roy-hodgson-rant-england-norway?CMP=twt_gu

Roy Hodgson’s f-word rant: where fact and fiction collide

Facts speak for themselves

What Roy said: “I am entitled to [be annoyed], aren’t I? When you have questions like: ‘You had only two shots on target …’ We can’t get rid of the baggage, we can’t change the fact we had a bad World Cup, we can’t play those games against Italy and Uruguay again, but I think you will have to give me the entitlement at least.”

The reality: Of course, Mr Hodgson is perfectly entitled to get annoyed about whatever he wants, be that journalists asking pesky questions, next door’s azaleas encroaching on his garden or the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre. However, it is a little strange to get irked by facts. England did indeed have only two shots on target, one of which was a penalty, the other a toe poke from Danny Welbeck rather easily saved. There’s enough in this world to be irked by without getting upset at numbers.

Laying the blame

What Roy said: “If we had played badly, if a lot of players had had really poor performances, if the quality of our passing and our movement was nothing like I wanted to see and if our defending wasn’t as compact, aggressive and organised as it was for large periods, I would be the first to say so. But I am not going to say it’s not that, just because we had a bad World Cup.”

The reality: The idea of Hodgson fronting up and publicly giving his players what-for should England play badly would be slightly easier to believe if, well, he really ever did that. Observe his comments after the insipid 0-0 draw with Costa Rica at the World Cup, which was England’s only point of a tournament they departed at the first round stage, described by Daniel Taylor on these pages as capping the “bland ignominy” of the campaign:
“We showed today what a good team we can be. I’m disappointed not to finish with the victory, but I don’t think we could have asked for a much better performance. Apart from the first 10 or 12 minutes of the game, I thought we dominated totally, but we didn’t take our goal chances. If we had taken them, it would have been a comfortable victory. We created chances, that’s the important thing. Normally Daniel is so clinical, so I’m not that concerned, I know he’ll take the chances in the future. I thought we were unlucky not to win this game, but I’m pleased to have given the fans something to cheer.”

The reality: Not exactly a Jeremy Kyle-esque “telling it like it is” now, is it?

Are Norway any good?

What Roy said: “You have seen an England team dominate for 45 minutes against a good opponent.”

The reality: Norway are ranked 53 in the world. They started with Joshua King up front, who only sporadically gets into the Blackburn team, and either side of him were Cardiff’s Mats Daehli and Tarik Elyounoussi, who has scored once for Hoffenheim since joining them in 2013. Of course, “good” is a subjective word, but this Norway side were not really crammed with world-beaters, one must admit.

Master of exaggeration

What Roy said: “You have seen us work very hard to create chances, you have seen players get in behind defenders in wide areas and miss crosses and, yes, I am not terribly happy about that. I would have liked the crosses to be a little bit better. I would have liked two of three of those shots to get past the blocking player and whizz past the goal. I would have liked Daniel Sturridge’s magnificent effort, from that wonderful [Raheem Sterling] pass, not to land on the roof of the net.

“I saw a 10-to-15-minute period in the second half when I thought we were nowhere near what I wanted to see. I thought we lost the aggression in our defending and we didn’t attack anywhere near as well. Joe had to make a good save from a corner, and Norway almost scored again from a Gary Cahill back-pass. But we saw a different system then. We changed it around and I saw some very positive moments.

“John Stones, who has played hardly any games recently for Everton, stepped out at right-back and gave a very strong performance and when Chambers came on he did well, too.”

The reality: Stones has indeed played only one game this term, but since he played a full part in pre-season and, perhaps more to the point, everyone else has played only three games, it isn’t as if this is a man clambering back from a lengthy spell on the sidelines while everyone else is well in the swing of things. Encouraging a promising youngster is grand, but exaggerating things doesn’t really help anyone.

Was he watching the same game?

What Roy said: “Henderson and Wilshere, in my book, were excellent. Delph came in to play his first game and showed some very good things going forward and, of course, Sturridge was excellent throughout. All I’m saying is I want to judge every game as it is.”

The reality: “Excellent” is quite a strong word, particularly as neither man created any chances or scored a goal, but that’s Hodgson’s own judgment. Perhaps more pertinent is the whether it’s worth at this point considering if Hodgson is of the right sensibility for a job of such scrutiny as this. In the wider scheme of things, he has received remarkably little criticism for England’s World Cup campaign, which (and forgive the repetition here) was a shambles, the side departing at the first round stage while gaining only a single point. One point. Being England manager is often described as the impossible job, because of the attention on it and the expectations placed upon both side and coach, but expecting a slightly better showing at an international tournament and more than a couple of shots on goal in a friendly is not asking for the moon on a stick.

Some will no doubt overreact, and a few very much have done, but Hodgson seemed to be bristling from the very start of his post-match press conference on Wednesday, entering his appointment with the media in an almost confrontational manner, so it therefore probably wasn’t a huge surprise that he reacted in such a way to a series of relatively innocuous questions/journalists pointing out facts. Nobody has grafted Hodgson’s face on to a root vegetable, nobody has come up with an amusing rhyming nickname about his rain-absorption prevention preferences, nobody has called into question his commitment to the cause. If Hodgson reacts like that to such a comparatively harmless inquisition, what’s going to happen if things get really bad?

Crowds don’t lie

What Roy said: “Welbeck came on and showed his potential, so there were a lot of good things but the bottom line is this: before the World Cup, with all the euphoria, we were getting 75,000 people to see us play Peru. Now we have 40,000 to see us play against a much more difficult opponent.”

The reality: With apologies for falling back on the ol’ rankings again, Peru are 52nd, Norway are 53rd.

Oh Roy

What Roy said: “I can’t put that right because I can’t turn the clock back, but what I can do is analyse what I have seen and judge that through my eyes and not because someone is telling me: ‘Well, you had only two shots at goal’ because, for me, that is absolute ****g bollocks, I’m sorry.”

The reality: Actually, we could falsely moralise all day about the appropriateness of a man in Hodgson’s position using such post-9pm language, or wonder about his professionalism or temper, but we’ll give you this one. After all, everyone likes a good swear.

How would England fare in a World Cup type group with Manchester City, Aresenal, Chelsea, Liverpool?
We will never find out, and perhaps that is the problem.

England would get battered, except against Chelsea as they would play for the draw

Agent Roy McHodgson must stay as England manager. He's doing a fantastic job

It's a sign of the liberal attitude towards everything. England doing badly... ah so what.

The worst part of all - Roy thinks he is doing a good job and he is the answer!

'Earth to Roy, earth to roy'

give the job to a dutch coach - i hear they're pretty good

He's only gone and asked to be the manager at the next World Cup!!! It's almost as if the total failure in the last one didn't happen!

He was a very good appointment, we weren't expecting much and that's what he delivered.

An England manager who can't get the team out of the Group stage at the WC has to get the sack.

But he didnt..and if he can get England to the semis at the Euros the nation will be in such a state of joy after not being there for so long the F.A probably gives him the extension!

Should have been sacked after not getting England out the group stage in Brazil, no ifs or buts

England going nowhere under Hodgson, but that was never in doubt

A manager needs to be judged on two things.  The state of improvement of the team from when they take over, and performance in tournaments.

1) Has the England team improved since Hodgson took over?  No evidence to suggest so.
2) How did they perform at the World Cup? 

In his defence, it's an impossible job.  Despite all the usual search for answers, the most obvious problem is that our leading teams do not pick English players, therefore the available selections are playing at a lower level, or are occasional rotational squad players.  There is no light on the horizon that this will ever change as long as the Premier League and the FA act independently.  The FA need to taken ownership, so that (like in rugby) the national team is the pinnacle and everything else serves that.  Understandably, Abramovich, the Abu Dhabi lot, Fenway Sports etc, couldn't give a flying fck about the England team.

The fans are to blame.  They can't have the PL in it's current form and expect a great England team too.

How is he still in the job?

Because he is a Yes man, always has been, always will be .

FA puppet and rubbish manager.

Republic of Ireland 0 England 0

“The positives are harder for me to find than they would have been for Martin [O’Neill],” he said. “We set ourselves high standards and got nowhere near them in the first half." said Roy

sounds about right and nothing will change with Hodgson as manager

oh and while we're on the subject...Wilshere holding midfielder and Henderson on the right...go figure!

“It’s important we are critical and continue to set ourselves high standards. We want to go to France and do well there, and we’ll have to play better than we did today. Ireland defended exceptionally well and were more than worth the draw. There were far too many situations where we didn’t win the duels we wanted to, and didn’t make anywhere near enough use of the moments when we got into the final third. We didn’t threaten a goal.”

dream on Woy, you should have quit after the last shambolic appearance in a tournament

we'll be in the final next year in Paris. hth.

               

Mates at the F.A. is how hes England manager

Mar 6, 2015 -- 4:53PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

How is he still in the job?Because he is a Yes man, always has been, always will be .FA puppet and rubbish manager.

               

Spot on, he even allowed the public and media to pick harryKANT fro the Lithuania and Italy games and the Donkey failed miserably because he KANT score agaist decent opposition

Classic Sunday morning Pub Football at its finest yesterday. Wock on Woy !

he nearly got Liverpool relegated. Unbelieve

able

made for each other imo

Part of the problem (and it's only a part) is that we have "friendlies".  Insofar as we call them friendlies, so the fans, media and players treat them as friendlies.  ie, not a serious international match.

In cricket, or rugby, or in fact any other sport do you have the concept of "friendlies".   They are called test matches or internationals.  They are taken seriously by everyone and as such you tend to see a better product.  Can you imagine a rugby match between England and New Zealand being called a friendly, and then played in the manner in which England footballers do, with almost everyone looking half-arsed and as if they would rather be anywhere else.

It all comes down to attitude, and everyone (management, players, press, fans) need to demand that a non-tournament match is played at the same intensity and with the same preparation as a world cup final, with rewards for success and penalties (ie not getting picked again) for failure.  In that way you develop a winning habit which should become second nature when it comes to the tournaments.  I remember a few years ago when Spain went for about 3-4 years unbeaten through tournaments and "friendly" international matches.  It became hard for anyone who wasn't top notch to get a look in because they had a winning side that took every match seriously.

Why can't anyone else see this???

he's not up to the job of course but look what he's got to work with. yesterday's team just looked appalling on paper never mind how badly they played

not a single a player would stand a prayer of say getting into the side that played in the 1990 world cup. we are mediocre beyond belief

Danno, most of what you say is down to the manager

I also don't believe most of the players are totally useless. Many international teams have over-achieved (rankings wise) in tournaments..Denmark, Greece, USA to mention a few. These players all play in the Premier League, which in itself means they aren't useless otherwise their clubs would disgard them. What is wrong is the attitude, motivation, tactics..and they are, the responsibility of the manager. If the manager thinks after a match that a player, or players, under-perform through attitude or motivation they should be dropped. Most of the team that played against Ireland shouldn't play against Slovenia, of course they will because the manager is soft as sh1t and that flows through the whole set-up.

13th June 2015
Roy Hodgson before the Slovenia vs England game

"I'd take a show or a lucky victory. At the end of the day winning or not getting beaten are the important factors."

He wasnt saying that a year ago at the world cup

A brillian yes man -- can never extend his arms fully and looks the part with his brillo pad hair

England U'21's bottom of group

....the future is bright

I still recall when he was manager of Liverpool and they were beaten at home by a poor wolves team 1-0,and woy said afterwards I thought we deserved a 0-0 draw.

It just about sums him up.

Woy meets all the FA criteria:

Yes man, boring man and diddy man.

Southgate won't be quitting according to reports. Another one well and truly on the gravy train believing he's the man for the job because the FA say so

England squad for Germany and Holland games

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke), Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Man City).

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Danny Rose (Tottenham), Chris Smalling (Man Utd), John Stones (Everton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham).

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Danny Drinkwater (Leicester), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Man City).

Forwards: Harry Kane (Tottenham), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal).

No obvious omissions as far as I can see. 24 players, 22 of whom will go plus Wheelchair if he proves his fitness.

No takers. Thought someone was bound to take the bait regarding Rooney who will obviously go as well. So 21 of these go plus Wilshere and Rooney. The most under threat maybe Dier/Drinkwater, Walcott and possibly a right back (so walker)given that Stones can cover central and right back.

the obsession with wilshere is very odd. just 14 league appearances in the last 2 seasons and as many prem goals in 8 years as dele alli has in 6 months

tbh his most prominent appearences in the last 2 years have both been pished up ones on the bus

He scored two cracking goals on one of his most recent England appearances and that will still be in Hodgson's mind particularly as we haven't really got anyone demanding a place in that position. (apart from Ali)

Walcott, what is the point? I'd rather we took somebody like Deeney, at least he may surprise, whereas you know what you'll get with Feo. Why is Sterling in, if he can't get in City's team?

Hodgson is terrified of taking risks, but a team with people like Drinkwater and Vardy, SUPPLEMENTED with quality players that derserve their place, like Dier, Alli and Kane, would do the job. Nobody's asking this idiot to take a shadow side, but just use a little imagination, ffs

Totally disagree. Think is squad is totally correct. Deeney isn't good enough. Drinkwater who deserves a chance will get one.

Hodgson displaying his mastery of diplomacy today.....

Asked why Gary Neville is struggling as a manager , Roy explained that he's spoken to Gary and the problem is the  Valencia players are no good/not trying and the whole club has an unrealistic expectation of being top half.

Spanish media will batter Neville with that.

can't even get a win with the best team now. Took far too long to make the changes in the second half. Can't be long now before he's gone

oh and wtf is Harry Kane taking corners for

Hodgson said after the Portugal game that Kane's job in the team is 'to defend the wide areas' .

So while he is stuck out there he is nearest to the corner i guess

Absolute f*cking halfwit.

I wonder how clive82 is feeling this morning?

Just as convinced of his own rectitude as ever would be my guess. As the evidence keeps mounting up...

best team in the group by a million miles and Woy ends up getting them a runners up spot to Wales

the sooner this bluffer gets the sack the better...a complete c0ckwomble

who the fook puts a "second string" out when you need to win the group ffs

Tournament Record now

Played 10

Won 3

because he got a draw at wembley in Euro 96 thanks to a late penalty. Serious answer, that is the only reason I can see. Doesn't mean I'm not baffled by it.

Good riddance Roy, enjoy the retirement money knowing you did fook all for English football during your tenure

might learn from this for the world cup he will get better

Thought Mclaren was the funniest appointment ever. But he topped that. An absolute loser and the people who appointed him need to be dragged in front of the cameras and fired one by one along with a guy who never deserved the job in a million years

Roy's resignation speech...this should be a laugh

'The players have done everything asked of me.'

So beating Iceland wasn't one of them?

You f cking **** Woy.

haven't heard a peep from david bernstein yet. he's the one who incredibly thought hodgson was the right man for the job

absolutely beggars belief

Watching Hodgson on the touchline he looked like some poor old soul who'd just wondered out of an old folks home in his pyjamas and slippers.

Glad you brought this thread to the top. All I can think of is clive1982 watching the last ten minutes of that game and thinking 'we'll be all right, Hodgson knows what he's doing'

Wow…you all loved the guy in qualifying and NOW he's useless?  Where was this thread during the great qualifying miracle? If he'd won you'd all be calling him a genius! Pick an opinion and stick with it. Gutless performance by mediocre players. No passion. No fire. Always the same with England. Why so shocked? Great odds on Iceland thanks to the arrogant and delusional shaping the markets. Thanks Roy!

My opposition to Hodgson began before he was the England manager. The qualifying group was full of utter shyte sides we would breeze past without a manager.

People say he won toss all during a long career.

However, he has managed the double of being Liverpool and Englands worst manager ever.

weepals, I'm sure you've got better things to do than read this entire thread, but if you haven't I'm sure you'll find it illuminating.

It was the appointment everybody got but nobody ****g wanted. I'm not Arry's biggest fan by a long way but at least he has a bit of charisma. Nobody at all wanted this fool.

Thread closed

Keep an eye out for the "How the f is Gareth Southgate the manager of England thread"

I've no doubt clive will be sharpening his quill as we speak.