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By:
mexicano
When: 16 Jan 13 18:28
but mourinho was starting from a very low base as far as trophies won is concerned.

at bayern he's starting from a much higher base.

if chelsea had continued in the same manner as before when mourinho  came he would have been regarded as unsuccessful.

if bayern continue as they have in the next few years he'll be regarded as reasonably successful'
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:28
OK Mexicano - is getting to the semi finals of the CL a success for the big clubs?

If you say it is then you too are saying that 95% of clubs are 'unsuccessful'
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:29
pep has made a wise decision.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:30

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:28PM, mexicano wrote:


but mourinho was starting from a very low base as far as trophies won is concerned.at bayern he's starting from a much higher base.if chelsea had continued in the same manner as before when mourinho  came he would have been regarded as unsuccessful.if bayern continue as they have in the next few years he'll be regarded as reasonably successful'


The trophies won in the previous years is largely irrelevant when it comes to billionaires building up a squad within a few years.

Chelsea arguably had the strongest squad in europe during Mourinhos time there and he didnt deliver the CL.

By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:30
Pep has made a wise choice-major club and not under the glare of mass media.
By:
mexicano
When: 16 Jan 13 18:30
of course it's a success. the fact that some "big" clubs take that level of achievement for granted dosen't mean it's not an achievement.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:31
So getting to the semi finals of the CL is success for the big clubs?

How about QF's?
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:31
Why would he go to Chelsea-- the owner is a child and unprofessional.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:33

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:30PM, mexicano wrote:


of course it's a success. the fact that some "big" clubs take that level of achievement for granted dosen't mean it's not an achievement.


Massive difference between and achievement and success.

It is staggering how much you contradict yourself.

A few posts ago only winning the CL at Bayern made Pep a success yet the next breath you state any big club getting to the semi finals should see that a a success!

What is it?

By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:33
Why would he go to Man Utd- club in major financial strife,he would have to follow Ferguson who will hand over an ageing and deterioating squad
By:
mexicano
When: 16 Jan 13 18:33
tell me this'

who has the better season.

a team that challenges on all fronts and narrowly misses out on a couple of trophies.

or a team that "flukes" the cl

because it can be fluked you know as a few english clubs have proved.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:34

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:33PM, mexicano wrote:


tell me this'who has the better season.a team that challenges on all fronts and narrowly misses out on a couple of trophies.or a team that "flukes" the clbecause it can be fluked you know as a few english clubs have proved.


You are all over the place with your points.

The team that flukes the CL has been more successful clearly.

By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:35
Mexicano -

A few posts ago only winning the CL at Bayern made Pep a success yet the next breath you state any big club getting to the semi finals should see that a a success!

What is it?
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:35
Why would he go to City-- club have overspent recently and have a lot of dross in squad. The squad cannot cope with big games and do not have the look of a club that will be moving up a gear in the next 3 seasons-in fact they may well be going backwards!
By:
patrick starr
When: 16 Jan 13 18:36
Bayern unlike Chelsea and City are one of Europe's super clubs.

exactly mw.
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
When: 16 Jan 13 18:36
peeler     16 Jan 13 18:33 
Why would he go to Man Utd- club in major financial strife,he would have to follow Ferguson who will hand over an ageing and deterioating squad


My word, i have seen some tosh on here but this is a cracker
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:37
Ferdinand,RVP,Scholes,Giggs, Valencia,Evra,Vidic etc etc
By:
A_T
When: 16 Jan 13 18:38
Seem obvious he wants a job with managable stress and expectations. Does not fancy the gladitorial aspects of football management as in PL and Spain. There is no way Ferguson or Mourinho would take a year off for a sabbatical.
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:38
Club are in hoch for £485,000,000 and that is after they recently raised cash on US Stock Exchange
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:38

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:38PM, A_T wrote:


Seem obvious he wants a job with managable stress and expectations. Does not fancy the gladitorial aspects of football management as in PL and Spain. There is no way Ferguson or Mourinho would take a year off for a sabbatical.


Perhaps that is why Mourinho has lost the plot this season.

Maybe needs a break.

By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:39
Peeler - Fergie is building a younger squad to come through and the debt they have is manageable for a club their size.
By:
A_T
When: 16 Jan 13 18:40
Ferguson who will hand over an ageing and deterioating squad

They were saying that 10 years ago.
By:
mexicano
When: 16 Jan 13 18:41
jam

you must not dream up things that you say i said in order to contradict them.
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A few posts ago only winning the CL at Bayern made Pep a succes
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where did i say that.?

as regards your latest post.

are you really telling me that a club can fluke a knock out competition can be regarded as being more successful than team sthat have played well all season?

if you do i will say that you're putting too much emphasis on a knock out comp.

it's nice for the fans when the club goes a long way in it, and now and again the best team in europe actually win it.

but to my mind it dosen't prove one way or another the merit of a manager, because quite a few ordinary managers have won it.
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:41
Who are youngsters that will come through--Phil Jones,Wellbeck,Young,De Gea hardly earth shattering names
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 16 Jan 13 18:43
soo if city sack Mancini at the end of the season....would you still put your mortage on pep working in Germany??
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:44

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:43PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:


soo if city sack Mancini at the end of the season....would you still put your mortage on pep working in Germany??


Yes as they would sack him now if they could have got their hands on Guardiola.

By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:44
Yes-- his decision to sign now indicates to me that he has no intention of waiting for City-why make a commitment now and break it in 6 months?
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:45
Meicano - what does it take for Guardiola to be a success in your eyes then?
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
When: 16 Jan 13 18:45
Utd are making a lot of money enough to service and reduce their debts as well as sign top players.

In there squad they have the likes of De Gea, Rafael, Smallings, Jones, Evans, Anderson, Hernandez, Nani, Rooney, Young, etc who will be around for many years to come.

You may or may not rate these players but every year they are first or second.

The only ageing player who plays regularly is Rio.
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:46
Rooney more injury prone than ever his form has never reached the highs everybody hoped for.
By:
henok
When: 16 Jan 13 18:47
pep is overrated manager. just look at all the managerial nobodies who took at barca before him and after him. all of them had a comparable success. frank rijkard, pep and now vinalova. the sucess at barca is due to some exceptional talent not the managers. but to be honest pep was better than many of them.

at bayern, the default expectation is to win the league and whatever cup competion is there. if he did well in CL, i can see him doing well in EPL.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:48

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:47PM, henok wrote:


pep is overrated manager. just look at all the managerial nobodies who took at barca before him and after him. all of them had a comparable success. frank rijkard, pep and now vinalova. the sucess at barca is due to some exceptional talent not the managers. but to be honest pep was better than many of them. at bayern, the default expectation is to win the league and whatever cup competion is there. if he did well in CL, i can see him doing well in EPL.


Wow what an ignorant post.

No manager in history did what he did at Barcelona and as of yet Villanova has not won anything (league clearly on way).

They were third the season he took over.

By:
mexicano
When: 16 Jan 13 18:49
what does he have to do?

he has to improve the club.

regardless of the cl, he would have to make the club more dominant in germany than they already are.

i know not everybody regards the cl in the same manner as i do, to me it's the "icing".
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:50

Jan 16, 2013 -- 6:49PM, mexicano wrote:


what does he have to do?he has to improve the club.regardless of the cl, he would have to make the club more dominant in germany than they already are.i know not everybody regards the cl in the same manner as i do, to me it's the "icing".


Thats fine.

May have gone the long way round it but that is exactly my opinion also.

By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:50
Wellbeck good player hardly shown a capability to score 20 goals per season.De Gea good shot stopper otherwise?Evans steady not spectacular. Hernandez where is the service coming from?Anderson -seriously will he be there next season ditto Nani?
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:51
Peeler - who has the best young squad in the league in your opinion?
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:51
Arsenal
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:52
Then Chelsea
By:
peeler
When: 16 Jan 13 18:52
Aston Villa as darkhorses
By:
JamDav1982
When: 16 Jan 13 18:52
So having a young squad does not mean any success.

Arsenal probably had the best young squad for the last ten years.
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