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The Bhoys When: 16 Jan 13 16:24

dortmond are better than bayern

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:24

henok - Bayern have won one league title in the last four seasons.

Not that easy.

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Biscuit1979 When: 16 Jan 13 16:25

JamDav - are you serious? Of course they'd be tougher options.

Bayern are comfortably the biggest team in Germany. City and Chelsea are not the biggest club in England. Man City aren't even the biggest club in their own city and have done nothing in Europe in living memory and Chelsea have a fight on their hands to even finish 3rd in the league this season.

Bayern have done the domestic double five times just this millenium.

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 16:25

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:21PM, pugilist wrote:

doesn't want to be in the same country as mourinho

that is also a case i think. he is afraid of mourinho i think.

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Biscuit1979 When: 16 Jan 13 16:26

Not to mention that Dortmund will more than likely be broken up at the end of this season. Gotze and Lewandowski won't be there much longer.

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hippie When: 16 Jan 13 16:27

Good move for Gladioli, moreso in the age of FFP.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:28

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:25PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

JamDav - are you serious? Of course they'd be tougher options. Bayern are comfortably the biggest team in Germany. City and Chelsea are not the biggest club in England. Man City aren't even the biggest club in their own city and have done nothing in Europe in living memory and Chelsea have a fight on their hands to even finish 3rd in the league this season.Bayern have done the domestic double five times just this millenium.

Size of clubs has nothing to do with it.

There are at best three possible league tile winners in England and two in Germany.

By your logic Fergie has the easiest job in England as he is at the biigest club.

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Regular Fries When: 16 Jan 13 16:29

There's a big one in Germany with other teams chipping in like Dortmund, Schalke, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen chipping in from time to time.

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 16:29

but still, they are the biggest team in germany. in most years, the likelihood of bayern winning their league under any manager is much higher than any of the english top teams winning theirs.

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 16:33

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:28PM, JamDav1982 wrote:

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:25PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:JamDav - are you serious? Of course they'd be tougher options. Bayern are comfortably the biggest team in Germany. City and Chelsea are not the biggest club in England. Man City aren't even the biggest club in their own city and have done nothing in Europe in living memory and Chelsea have a fight on their hands to even finish 3rd in the league this season.Bayern have done the domestic double five times just this millenium.Size of clubs has nothing to do with it.There are at best three possible league tile winners in England and two in Germany.By your logic Fergie has the easiest job in England as he is at the biigest club.

the man utd case is really differnt. yse manutd is the biggest team in england, but a significant factor in that position is the experience and success ferguson brings to the team. that would definitely be hard to replicate for a new manger.

i can not say the same for bayernmunich( i.e i dont think the current bayernmunich sucess relies on any one manger or personality in the club)

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:34

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:29PM, henok wrote:

but still, they are the biggest team in germany. in most years, the likelihood of bayern winning their league under any manager is much higher than any of the english top teams winning theirs.

Man Utd going for their fifth title in seven years.

Does that mean whoever takes over from Fergie has chosen the easiest job in world football?

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 16:37

no anyone taking fergies job is up for a fight and hard time.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:38

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:37PM, henok wrote:

no anyone taking fergies job is up for a fight and hard time.

Well you are just contradicting yourself then.

Name me some of these poor managers that have won trophies for Bayern in recent years?

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Biscuit1979 When: 16 Jan 13 16:39

"By your logic Fergie has the easiest job in England as he is at the biigest club"

Not the easiest job no, because United don't have the spending power of City and Chelsea so that balances things out. Fergie is just a great manager.

That is not the case in Germany. Bayern are the richest club with the biggest support, the best squad, the spending power, the wages they can afford, every factor is in their favour.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:44

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:39PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

"By your logic Fergie has the easiest job in England as he is at the biigest club"Not the easiest job no, because United don't have the spending power of City and Chelsea so that balances things out. Fergie is just a great manager.That is not the case in Germany. Bayern are the richest club with the biggest support, the best squad, the spending power, the wages they can afford, every factor is in their favour.

Yes Bayern have all those things yet they have won one title in four years and not won the CL in over ten years.

So Man City and Chelsea jobs are on a par with Man Utd in terms of difficulty.

A couple of posts ago you were claiming Chelsea and Man City were the hardest jobs going as the are 'not the biggest clubs'. Now you are claiming that the are the clubs with the biggest spending power in the country.

One of which is the current league champion and the other the current CL champion.

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 16:44

jamdav, i am not contradicting myself. manutd is big because of fergie. and it is also logical to say that it is easy for fergie to win EPL with manutd but not for any other manager. this is because ferguson knows the league and other teams, he has a significant psychological edge over many of the referees, opposition coaches and teams. he can attract the many young players, etc, etc. all of these advantages.

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jimnast When: 16 Jan 13 16:47

he earned those advantages.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:48

So Man Utd is the toughest job of the top three in England Henok?

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 16:51

i wouldnt say it is the toughest job in england. but i can confidently say that manging manutd to a league tile is much harder than manging bayern for their title for any manger you can imagine including guardiola.

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hippie When: 16 Jan 13 16:51

How does management's hottest property going to Bayern Munich turn into a fergie thread?

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 16:53

Jan 16, 2013 -- 4:51PM, henok wrote:

i wouldnt say it is the toughest job in england. but i can confidently say that manging manutd to a league tile is much harder than manging bayern for their title for any manger you can imagine including guardiola.

You have absolutely nothing to base that on.

So its harder to manage Man Utd ahead of Man City in the league for Bayern to get the better of Dortmund?

Who looked better in the CL this year? Man City or Dortmund?

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patrick starr When: 16 Jan 13 16:55

hippie 16 Jan 13 16:51 Joined: 07 Jun 05 | Topic/replies: 5,663 | Blogger: hippie's blog
How does management's hottest property going to Bayern Munich turn into a fergie thread?

probably cos hes the benchmark by which all other managers are judged

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hippie When: 16 Jan 13 16:59

benchmark bollox.

Guardiola has gone to Bayern because that is most sensible place to go to displace Barcelona as the best team in Europe.

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Biscuit1979 When: 16 Jan 13 17:01

JamDav - I didn't say they were the "hardest jobs going". Both are obviously top jobs in world football. My point is that they'd be 'harder' than Bayern for all the factors i've listed above.
Yes Chelsea won the CL, but i think we can all accept, they were rather fortunate and not the best side.

If he went to City, he'd have the money to buy, he'd have United/Fergie and Chelsea/money to contend with and be the (current) 2nd best side.
If he went to Chelsea, he'd have the money to buy but he'd have United/Fergie and City/money to contend with and be the (current) 3rd best side. Both squads need improving.

At Bayern he has the money to buy, is comfortably the biggest/best side and his nearest challenger Dortmund are likely to be selling again. Plus he has a settled squad.

You can't seriously tell me you think he'd have an easier job winning the league with Chelsea next season than he will at Bayern?

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R0ykeane When: 16 Jan 13 17:04

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henok When: 16 Jan 13 17:05

jamdav, i dont have a quantifiable proof, it is a matter of judgment which i tried to convey throughout my comments.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 17:06

Jan 16, 2013 -- 5:01PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

JamDav - I didn't say they were the "hardest jobs going". Both are obviously top jobs in world football. My point is that they'd be 'harder' than Bayern for all the factors i've listed above.Yes Chelsea won the CL, but i think we can all accept, they were rather fortunate and not the best side. If he went to City, he'd have the money to buy, he'd have United/Fergie and Chelsea/money to contend with and be the (current) 2nd best side. If he went to Chelsea, he'd have the money to buy but he'd have United/Fergie and City/money to contend with and be the (current) 3rd best side. Both squads need improving.At Bayern he has the money to buy, is comfortably the biggest/best side and his nearest challenger Dortmund are likely to be selling again. Plus he has a settled squad.You can't seriously tell me you think he'd have an easier job winning the league with Chelsea next season than he will at Bayern?

Basically what you are saying is that England is a three horse race and that Germany is a two horse race.

You are assuming that the Dortmund team will break up if it doesnt then they will remain a better side than arguably all three of those English teams.

When managers like Mancini and Di Mateo are winning the top prizes at these clubs it suggests they are not the tough challenge you suggest they are.

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Biscuit1979 When: 16 Jan 13 17:13

If you want to put it like then yes Bayern are the biggest and best horse in a 2 horse race.

City and Chelsea are horses 2 and 3 in a 3 horse race. Doesn't take a genius to work out what the easier job is.

Are you going to answer my question? Do you think he'd have had an easier job winning the league with Chelsea next season than he will at Bayern?

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mexicano When: 16 Jan 13 17:23

bayern are the "football establishment" in germany.

they have the players

the infrastructre

and the money.

great job, but what will it prove about him as a coach.?

but;

it can be a risk.

because the expectation will be rery high, if he succeeds, so what it's expected.

but if he dosen't?

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Absolutely pathetic. Really thought he'd be at City, Arsenal, or Chelsea and actually test himself. Bayern Munich, really pathetic and embarrassing if I am being honest.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 17:27

Jan 16, 2013 -- 5:13PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

If you want to put it like then yes Bayern are the biggest and best horse in a 2 horse race.City and Chelsea are horses 2 and 3 in a 3 horse race. Doesn't take a genius to work out what the easier job is.Are you going to answer my question? Do you think he'd have had an easier job winning the league with Chelsea next season than he will at Bayern?

We shall see how difficult it is to win the league at Chelsea next season.

A decent manager would go very close to winning the league with Chelsea.

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Winning the Premiership with Chelsea would be a superb feat next season. He's bottled it, pure and simple. Embarrassing and sums the man up.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 17:28

Jan 16, 2013 -- 5:27PM, RMB © wrote:

Absolutely pathetic. Really thought he'd be at City, Arsenal, or Chelsea and actually test himself. Bayern Munich, really pathetic and embarrassing if I am being honest.

Pathetic?

Dont think so, he has chosen not to follow the billionaires money and Man Utd or Arsenal were not available.

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Ibrahima Sonko When: 16 Jan 13 17:30

This is great news, now we wont have to put up with sports press making things up all 2013 about where pep is going.

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mexicano When: 16 Jan 13 17:31

how do you reckon he's bottled it?

he's taken the "safe" option granted.

bur i wouldn't go and work for abramovic, he's a ferkin meglomaniac.

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JamDav1982 When: 16 Jan 13 17:33

How is it even the safe option?

Dortmund won the double last season and have just topped their CL group containing Man City and Real Madrid.

Bayern have won one title in the last four seasons and have not won the CL in ten years.

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Biscuit1979 When: 16 Jan 13 17:36

"Dont think so, he has chosen not to follow the billionaires money"

Maybe not but it's not as if Bayern don't spend much. They spent more than City last summer.

And they spent more on one player (Javi Martinez) than any other side in the Bundesliga spent in total.

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lybertyne When: 16 Jan 13 17:36

it will be interesting to see how he gets on. the pressure on him will be enormous.

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mexicano When: 16 Jan 13 17:37

of course it's the safe option.

as stated earlier, bayern are the establishment, always there or there abouts.

quite frankly they are winners waiting to happen every year,

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patrick starr When: 16 Jan 13 17:38

hippie 16 Jan 13 16:59 Joined: 07 Jun 05 | Topic/replies: 5,664 | Blogger: hippie's blog
benchmark bollox.

is he not the benchmark by which all other modern day mangers are judged then? and indeed dont all modern day managers judge themselves against sir alex,he sets the standard that they aspire too doesnt he? I think pep has even said as much in the recent past...