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it's a bit like going to celtic at the mo'
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It doesn't matter what they've won in the last 4 years, he's taking over next summer. And he's taking over a team on top of their game who will quite likely be champions. Bayern have an established settled side.
Neuer (26), Alaba (20), Badstuber (23), Lahm, Kroos (23), Schweinsteiger, Muller (23), Javi Martinez (24), Shaqiri (21), Mandzukic (26) and then Robben, Ribery and Gomez. Bayern have and buy all the best talent. Every other side in Germany ends up selling their best talent, e.g. Ozil, Khedira, Sahin, Marin, Holtby, Kagawa, Podolski. Lewandowski has refused to sign a new deal. Gotze will be on his way soon enough. It's no contest as to whether Bayern is a safe option at this moment in time. |
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taken an easy option here - clearly the stress at Barcelona took it's toll and so he's dropped a level rather than go to PL or back to La Liga
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Bayern Munich are one of the most respected brands in world football.
The "safe option" is a misnomer. |
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how is it a misnomer?
jf he's as good as a lot of people think bayern will be fabulous. if he's half as good as they think he'll win the league and do well in europe. |
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why bang on about "safe option"?
He's the biggest name in management. Bayern Munich are one of the biggest names in football. If he's successful they'll displace Barcelona as the best side in Europe. That has nothing to do with being the "safe option", that's thoughtful career development. |
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if he's succesful they'll replace barca??????????????????
thoughtful career development, or money for old rope? |
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I take it there's a point to all the question marks?
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Judge him when he has left.
If they win a title every second year, a cup competition every second year and doenst win the CL then he has carried on the norm as they have had the last ten years. If he improves on that then he has been a success. |
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that's the point jam.
he dosen't need to do too much to be regarded as succesfull. the success is already there. |
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The only way i see him being under any pressure there is if Heynckes wins the CL this year
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well quite frankly that's obvious.
but if he "marks time", he'll still be regarded as a reasonablr success. hence the safe option. |
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He has to win the Champions League. Anything less and he will have failed.
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mexicano - was Mourinho a success at Chelsea?
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Well he would as he likes to inherit a team.
Incapable of building his own and knows it Barca was franks team and he was the luckiest guy on earth anyone on this forum could have took over that team |
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hippie 16 Jan 13 18:05 Joined: 07 Jun 05 | Topic/replies: 5,668 | Blogger: hippie's blog
He has to win the Champions League. Anything less and he will have failed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- with a team that should have won it last season. could be regarded as not a lot to do. therefore safe option. but, by the way it wouldn't neccesarily mean failure if he improved the club in other ways |
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JamDav - Win the CL for them.
He'll be taking over a side who will (barring a disaster) be Bundesliga champions and they'll probably win the cup too (they're at home to Dortmund in the quarters). So let's say he takes over a side who've just won the double. He can only improve on that by winning the CL. Anything else and he's just continuing what Heynckes already did. |
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Bayern Munich are judged on their success in Europe. That's how big they are.
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So he wins a couple of double etc and improves on what Heynckes has done, but does not win the CL he has failed?
Why is not doing something they have not managed in over ten years a failure? |
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of course mourinho was a success at chelsea.
two titles on the trot]first for fifty years]numerous cups. |
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They were in the Champions League final in May. That constitutes success to me.
They could play the whole season behind closed doors and still make tens of (if not hundreds of) millions of pounds. That constitutes success to me. They are Bayern Munich. That constitutes success to me. |
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what he achieved was success.doing things the club had never done.
so if you're saying not winning the cl is failure that's ridiculous. as i said if the club just carries on as they are that will be regarded by some as being successful. hence the "safe option" |
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you're the spokesman for "the big clubs"?
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so by jam's reckoning 99.999% of managers fail.
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I am saying the exact opposite. Can you actually read properly.
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JamDav - in my opinion you can be judged a success if you improve on what has gone before.
Mourinho at Chelsea certainly did that. If guardiola wins the league or the double then i'm not sure he is improving Bayern. The league is probably expected by the Bayern board at the start of each season. You keep going on about what they won 2/3/4 even 10 seasons ago, but this is Heynckes team now. He took over in 2011. He's taken them to a CL final and will probably leave having won the double. So Guardiola has to equal or better that really. If he wins the CL, well done, amazing achievement, hats off to him. If he just wins a couple of league titles then i (and no doubt many others) will say 'so what, so he should with that squad and those resources'. |
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saying the exact opposite?
you say that getting to the cl final is not regarded as success. therefore every manager who dosen't win it by definition is unsuccessful. |
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Some strange ramblings on this thread.
Whilst some on the betfair forum would like to see Pep take a 'challenge' where he could prove how talented he is or be shown up he was always likely to take a job that he felt would enhance his reputation. He is a young manager and going to Bayern will give him the opportunity to prove himself. Why any top manager would touch chelsea is beyond me. With financial fair play on the way the challenge at City and Chelsea will become much harder. Bayern unlike Chelsea and City are one of Europe's super clubs. |