i think hit me one more time was. the first and the best. all-time classic

Rangers fans need to accept that their is no Rangers now, regardless of what newco are called. If you want to follow a new team fine, but it's a new team with no history. And on the subject of history, the old Rangers history needs to be changed - Years of cheating means stripped titles and cups, and the rightful winners (inc QOS,  Falkirk etc) reinstated. If that happens, integrity will be restored and a new chapter in Scottish football will start, with a new team coming into the 3rd Div. That's all that needs to happen.

The scary thing for the future of Scottish Football is who's going to watch it?

It may be nice(but naive) to think it could return to more home bred players and flourish but the modern trend is that there could be a danger of younger fans switching over and watching the EPL instead of attending matches North of the Border.

Having said that, the quality of football played in the old firm games doesnt seem anywhere near what it used to be even 5-10 years ago and four times a year has diluted it as an event that appealed to the neutral viewer.

Platini • July 6, 2012 11:54 AM BST
Rangers fans need to accept that their is no Rangers now, regardless of what newco are called. If you want to follow a new team fine, but it's a new team with no history. And on the subject of history, the old Rangers history needs to be changed - Years of cheating means stripped titles and cups, and the rightful winners (inc QOS,  Falkirk etc) reinstated. If that happens, integrity will be restored and a new chapter in Scottish football will start, with a new team coming into the 3rd Div. That's all that needs to happen.
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Aye right Plat, wipe the slavers aff yer mooth noo son.

At the last OF game at Parkhead tickets were going for face value. Considering this was a game where Celtic fans could pay back a lot of hurt I was shocked. People cannot afford to pay for the product. English football has this coming. Sky money is propping up most of the Premiership not gates and the only big money is from Arabs and Russians. Scottish football was weak before this problem and will weaken further no question of that but sooner or later it will catch up with the huge deficits at many many english clubs as well.

Zil - Will be back in the kitchen soon. Hope you are doing well. Our product is very poor but the premiership is pretty mundane around the middle and bottom and I fear an implosion in England is not too far away.

Zilzal - who watches as it is? Outwith die hard fans, nobody watches anything other than the Old Firm games, which are utter car crash TV. Not so long ago they were brilliant viewing as you had class players caught up in the mayhem and pace of it all.

Now you have very average players playing the game at a speed in which Xavi would struggle to look good. The result is an awful game of football and people looking in to see if it (bigotry and drink fuelled madness) all kicks off.

That is not something to base the future of our national game on.

We have too many governing bodies.

We have far too many senior clubs.

We have no pyramid system.

Players wages are too high.

Sky pay over the odds for the product on offer, for whatever reason.

Ticket prices are too high.

As a Scotland fan, a 5 match package for the world cup qualifiers is at least £205 in total (unless you want to sit behind the goal and see SFA).

The same package for Wales games is £85 in total.... we are in the same group. We are getting ripped off.

I would go and see my local team Ayr United play quite often if I felt I would get value for money. Why should I pay more to stand in a crumbling 'stadium', with a wall for a toilet, to watch players who can't string 4 passes together, than a Dortmund fan pays to get into their standing area?

If I want to watch a game I'd go and watch a pub team for nothing.

Things have to change and we must become self sufficent. Things will be terrible in the short term, but serious changes are needed.

The Rangers situation could be the spark we need to change.

Mac I don,t want to see anyone/anthing go down the plug hole and that includes Rangers,what I do want to see is the demise of the favouritism/cronyism accorded to Rangers in Scotland to the detriment of all the other clubs,there has never been a level playing field the legislatures and referees associations have a lot to answer for,the whole football scene up here has been a mess and at the heart of it has been bitterness/bias ridicuclous at anytime but in the 21st century?? no wonder we are a laughing stock,tear the walls down and start anew and that,s what the phoenix needs to do.

what will happen on friday?

For which reason alone, Scottish football deserves to rot in hell. Any league that by action, or inaction, discourages meritocracy deserves nothing but contempt.
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Do you think the EPL encourages meritocracy?
Manchester City have just won the league for the first time in donkeys years.
Should they rot in hell?
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I've been to the UAE, Australia and Thailand in the last year.

Whoopy fkn doo... good for you.

Yeah, OK mac, that was excessive hyperbole.

I just can't stand leagues that don't have promotion and relegation related to performance on the field.

There is no just reason for the bottom-feeders in SFL3 to be artificially protected from the better teams in the Highland and to a lesser extent the East and South of Scotland Leagues.

It's naked protectionism.

Re Man City, they did win the league on merit, on the back of a shedload of money or not. I'm just as happy with a situation in which spending leads to titles as one in which teams are stuck at one level for ever and ever amen because of the size of their fanbase. I appreciate that Scotland has had decidedly dodgy experiences on that front, what with the whole Gretna debacle (and Livingston?).

A worring report from SKY´s sister paper the sun.


http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4422381/The-true-cost-of-Rangers-relegation.html




The true cost of Rangers’ relegation




SCOTTISH football is staring at a staggering £80MILLION loss in TV cash if the SFL send Rangers plunging into the Third Division.


SunSport can reveal that’s the stunning financial black hole our game will face if Friday’s crunch vote sees stricken Gers banished to the basement league.

The core TV contracts for SPL coverage with Sky and ESPN remain unsigned — with the next five years of football on the box mired in uncertainty until TV chiefs know where Gers will be playing.

Yet SunSport understands the stark truth if Rangers are dumped into Division Three is this:

OUT: Will go ESPN, who as our game’s second biggest TV supporters are crucial as they prepare to shell out £30m for their coverage in the deal.

OUT: Will go SportFive who plough in £2.75m a season currently to export pictures of the SPL action.

Much of their commitment to our game is based around the guaranteed broadcasts of four Old Firm games a season.

OUT: Go a host of top SPL sponsors who will pull out if Rangers are taken out of the mix for at least three years.

Sky Sports will not abandon the Scottish game completely if the SFL elect to tell Gers to start again at the bottom.

Sky will, however, drastically renegotiate the terms of their coverage.

And it’s believed the income will then be pegged at around just £3m a season.

The hit on the scrapping of the new TV deal is a crippling £65m — plus the loss of the overseas SportFive rights at £15m.

This is neither scaremongering or rumours, these are the figures those in the Hampden hierarchy are staring at through the cracks in their fingers.

An £80m deficit from now until the summer of 2017 — and what would be left of the game by then?

These are the haunting questions facing the SFL chairmen who have had this whole sorry mess dumped in their laps.

When SunSport polled the men with the future of Scottish football in their hands last Friday the vote stood at 14-2 AGAINST Gers with 14 clubs undecided.

Airdrie — who lost the First Division play-off to Dumbarton — will abstain as they would benefit by being moved up a league.

Dundee will be barred from voting as they look set to take Gers’ slot in the SPL, so there will only be 28 votes.

That could be reduced further if Stranraer, who lost the Second Division play-off to Albion Rovers, also elect to abstain as they have the same conflict of interest as Airdrie.

With the count down to 27 it would require the picture over the next 48 hours to change drastically from where it stood last week.

Gers need a vote of 14-13 to win their place in the Scottish Football League and if that is achieved then the SFL board is certain to rubber-stamp their entry into the First Division.

Yesterday the SFA and the SPL even took a hammering in the House of Commons.

English Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore stuck the knife into the SFA and the SPL over their handling of the Rangers crisis.

Scudamore told MPs their rules lacked the ‘rigour’ to deal with clubs who run out of cash.

He insisted the English game had tightened up its own procedures after Portsmouth went into administration in 2010.

Giving evidence to the Commons culture, media and sport committee, he said: “There is a huge raft of changes that we have made in the last five years.

“I can’t comment specifically on the Rangers situation — but I feel very sorry for what is going on in Scottish football.

“But I know the SPL and SFA don’t have the same level of rigour we have adopted in the last five years.

“I don’t think their rules currently have the same processes we’ve got. If they do now, they didn’t at the time of the HMRC situation.”

Labour MP Jim Sheridan added: “The SPL and SFA should have amended their rules, but failed to do so. Questions have to be asked why they didn’t.”

It is estimated that admitting Rangers into Division One will put an extra £2m into SFL coffers.

A sweetener of £1m has already been negotiated as the TV companies see an appeal in the novelty of covering Ally McCoist’s new-look squad in a lower league for the first time in their 140-year history.

A further £1m will come in through the gates as Gers roll into town in places like Cowdenbeath and Dumbarton as they bid to return to the top flight at the first time of asking. The benefits are there for those who rule in the First Division boardrooms and throughout the SFL to ponder.

Sporting integrity has become the buzz phrase of the last few weeks. Yesterday the chilling toll of what that will cost became all too apparent for a game teetering on the brink.

SunSport understands it is a stick-on that if the SFL vote Gers into the Third Division then plans for the formation of SPL 2 will kick in immediately.

That will cause chaos for a sport on its knees and leave long-suffering fans angry and bewildered.

Hard as it may be for some to stomach, there is surely now clarity ahead of Friday the 13th.

The vote to save our game will be one that places shamed Rangers into the First Division.

Anything else and we can stand outside the crime scene tape and count the bodies.


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Sky propaganda machine in full works...THEY´RE ALREADY SPINNING THEIR EXCUSES PRE SFL VOTE.

It seems Green got Ipox, Murray Park & the Albion car park for 1.5 million. FFS, all those people, including the taxpayers, ripped off and the assets are sold for a song. This vermin should never be allowed back into the game.

AN administrators' report has revealed that Charles Green's £5.5m takeover of crisis-hit Rangers included £2.75m for the purchase of player contracts and registrations.
The former Sheffield United owner completed his purchase of the club on June 14 for a price of £5.5m after creditors rejected a CVA from the administration-hit oldco.
Now a report from administrators Duff and Phelps has broken down the various components of Green's takeover package - including £1.5m for "heritable properties" which is understood to include Ibrox Stadium, the club's Murray Park training complex and the Albion car park at Ibrox.
Under an appendix headed 'asset realisations', the report shows Green paid £1 for the club's SPL share and another £1 for their SFA membership.
Green's business Sevco Scotland Ltd paid £1.5m for heritable properties while £2.75m was paid for player contracts and registrations.
Five Rangers players have since signed for other clubs after refusing to transfer their contracts over from the Ibrox oldco to Green's newco.
Captain Steve Davis has joined Southampton, Steven Naismith moved to Everton, Jamie Ness signed a deal with Stoke City, Kyle Lafferty has gone to Swiss side Sion and Steven Whittaker has penned a deal with Norwich City.
Green claims the players are in breach of contract saying they were obliged to move to his newco under TUPE regulations.
But the Scottish Professional Footballers Association have defended the players insisting they were within their rights to move to new clubs under freedom of contract.
Newco Rangers are still waiting to discover if SFL clubs will accept their membership for the coming season after SPL clubs voted overwhelmingly to refuse their admission into the top tier.

Excellent pro-Rangers scare story from the Sun. What were the Orange press up to when Private Eye were reporting extensively on the Rangers timebomb over a year before it happened?

lets hope common sense prevails and rangers can take their place in the 3rd div to keep "sporting integrity " utmost on the agenda.

we dont want favours ,we want justice and fairness to prevail.

we want the 3rd div,we want sporting ingetrity utmost and foremost ,and we dont want anyother club to go through the pain and shame of admin and liquidation at the hands of a criminals.

i hope any other club going into admin gets help ,not whats happened to rangers ,its not right .

i hope any other club going into admin gets help ,not whats happened to rangers ,its not right .

If any other club goes into admin there's every chance it will be because of Rangers. When you think of the money they owe some of the other clubs yet they're allowed to hang on to their assets for a poxy 1.5 million. It's definitely not right.

Ah welcome back FECK.Ihope your fully recovered from your illness.

We have missed your ramblings.

One day to go,i think all their threats and bullying are going to backfire on them.

They are dooooooomed.

If you have been I`ll recently Feck,
I will forgive you your latest bout of Gers bashing, seeing as you are no just anybody m8.

It was in Manchester.

starfish and coffee • July 12, 2012 5:56 PM BST
It was in Manchester.
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Good for you,lots of us have been in Manchester at one time or another.