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eng v india 4 test wednesday , old trafford
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Tim David hit a ton from 36 balls last night , Australia were 92-4(9) chasing 215 and they won with 4 overs to go , unreal even vs Windies bowling.
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Draw price back to the points of conversation now so no need for any draw backers to lose money if they don't fancy the risk.
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s africa bottling again, last over needing 6 to win, 6 wkts remaining , lose by 3 runs v n z
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Been involved Elis , sometimes laying low is poetry as Saffers hit 1.02.
Think my gonads have just grown a bit after that result so hanging on here longer with the draw drip feed. |
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Yes change in the betting but plenty of time left.
Jajeda and Sundar can concentrate but the new ball will be a problem for them. Shardul can bat but how long can he concentrate for? Pant is superb even in one leg. I am thinking England need 4-5 wickets over 3.5-4.5 sessions. These two need to bat out the day. New ball just before lunch tomorrow? |
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My average draw back comes out at 6.2 WD , when do you see as the right time to take the money ?
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Cancel that question i'm out , 6.2 to 2.32 is good for a decent wedge and as you say anything goes with so much time left
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Now!
But I an greedy Ball is old. Looking around evens if no wicket. If there is a wicket there is little chance of a comeback but we are gamblers not bankers |
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Good call!
I will follow soon when I recover my senses |
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Good call!
I will follow soon when I recover my senses |
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I am 5.51
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England lay 1.28
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Does not look like much price movement
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They both look like they could bat all day long
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Still trail by 172 which bothers me.
They should be putting pressure on England even with 3 or 4 singles |
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Met Office showing rain tomorrow but BBC says none!
Where there is rain there are clouds and I do not like clouds! |
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Layed draw at 1.98 to clear England red
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The weather looks as much of a coin toss as the test itself , i use Metcheck ( the one the horse racing trainers use ) and the average rain risk between 11am to 6pm averages 50% and ditto with clouds , so looks anyone's guess.
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Nice1 , you know it makes sense , long time to follow and keep saying how unpredictable the sport is without earning.
Hindsight is wonderful but it's something we don't possess unfortunately. |
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Thanks,
Foresight is better Greened all round at 1.84 Coulda, woulda, shoulda Maybe I am maturing! Big win today after 0-2 |
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Great trade for me but doesn't come close to the wedge from the Saffers match earlier
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super couple of sessions
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Great cricket day
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Yes love the grinding survival type of days
Was unlucky last night as my max odds lay is 1.29 ( won't lay higher and you have to have a line in the sand somewhere ) and Windies hit 1.31 with my finger on the button ready but then Tim David hit 100 from 36 balls so didn't get matched for the sake of two ticks , more than made up for today though. Would like a tense viewing finish tomorrow but would rather the draw than an England win so as to keep the series alive for the Oval. |
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ill settle for a boring rain hit day myself , for the draw and the series score of 2-1, ps nice one on the saffers match
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Splendid application from Rahul and Gill there, proper mental fortitude. Keeps the series alive, at least until tomorrow.
England still strong favourites but unless Stokes turns his arm over it could be hard going for the other bowlers. Dawson will no doubt bowl a long spell but on todays evidence there's not enough turn to worry class batsmen, still it will be Day 5 and the wicket may allow him to get more out of it. Hayden - Tim David can certainly hit the ball a long way, i actually saw his fellow Aussie Andrew Symonds score a record breaking 34 ball ton at Mote Park in the early days of the Twenty20 (2004) playing for Kent against Middlesex. Kent were set what we thought was a very challenging target of 156 in 18 overs but they got there with 5 overs to spare ! What struck me about his innings was he wasn't really slogging, just hitting the ball unbelievably hard playing, in the main, proper shots. |
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The late Andrew Symonds , remember more than one great knock from AS
 Beautiful clean hitting for David last night and was only a ball outside the fastest hundred from Rohit Sharma , just counting the big teams as i noticed Estonian player even beat that but my wife was probably bowling. This is one from the memory bank but think the figures are correct , Collis King signed for North Wales team Pontblydden and went to watch his debut game , he broke the previous highest score for a team in that league on his own that day , ended up averaging around 140 and lost 4 balls in the reservoir in that debut game , just another day out that sticks in my mind. Collis was always on the fringe of the Windies team around then and usually in the squad not carried the drinks a few times , main highlight would have been that stand with Viv in the world cup final coming in when they were in some bother. |
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I remember Collis King playing that innings in the 79 World Cup Final very well, England had the upper hand until he came in. I had never heard of him at the time but i certainly knew who he was an hour or so later ! Never really fulfilled his potential but then the WI had so many great players it was hard to get in to the side
i suppose. That final was of course notable for the incredible England collapse, losing their last 8 wickets for 11 runs after Mike Brearley and our Geoffrey had put on over 100 for the first wicket, unfortunately at Test match pace rather than one day ! When they were parted the rate required was over six an over, which would seem easily gettable today, but not then. Different times of course in the approach to a run chase. |
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No rain guys it rather looks like it is missing hence price change.
Remember where there is rain there is cloud! Even if it doesn’t rain! The pitch is playing pretty well still I would say. As long as the current batsmen can concentrate the first test will be the new ball after an hour or so. This Shirley has to be the game. Jadeja and Sundar have shown the application required but against the new ball? Pant can come in late to block an end but I would say it is vital for India to knock off the deficit and build even a small lead as a buffer. Think I should enjoy the cricket rather than get involved in degenerate gambling. My work here is done. |
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Coils King man
Nuff said |
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From cricinfo
Colin Graves, the chairman of the ECB, has offered to help Collis King in his immigration fight, after it emerged the West Indian has been forced to return to Barbados while applying for a visa to live in the UK alongside his British wife. King, who starred in West Indies' 1979 World Cup final victory, has spent more than 40 years living and working in the UK, alongside his native Barbados. But now, aged 67, he has been left in limbo after being told he could not submit an application for a spousal visa while still in the country, and given 14 days to return to the Caribbean. |
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King's story has emerged following a controversial crackdown by the UK Home Office, although it is distinct from the issues affecting members of the Windrush generation who came to live and work in Britain after the Second World War. According to the Telegraph, King said he had been "treated like a criminal".
Graves was previously chairman of Dunnington CC in Yorkshire, where King has played and coached for 20 years, becoming a popular figure on the club scene. He has offered to act as a referee for King and write a letter of support. "I was staggered that his application was thrown out without any further investigation," Graves told the newspaper. "Someone just looked at it and said, 'On your bike' and he was out. Nobody seemed to bother to look at it. It was cold and that is what upset me. They did not look at the individual, it was just another number on a file. "From a cricket point of view in Yorkshire he has been a colossus. He is known around all the clubs and we will do everything we can from a cricket point of view because he is helping with what we are trying to achieve in the recreational game." King has been unable to play for Dunnington this summer, and has spent the last four months waiting to hear about his status. Having been told he had to return to Barbados, he also suffered the indignity of having his passport taken away at the airport, and only returned when his flight landed in Bridgetown. "I felt like I was treated like a criminal," he told the Telegraph. "It has really shaken me that after all that time that I can't stay. It really hit me for six." An attacking batsman who played nine Tests and 18 ODIs, King hit 86 from just 66 balls as he and Viv Richards demolished England in the 1979 World Cup final. Although World Series Cricket and a rebel tour of South Africa ended his international career, he became a much-loved performer in the northern leagues of England, as well as turning out in county cricket for Glamorgan and Worcestershire. Having previously travelled regularly to the UK on a visitor visa, King fell foul of the "hostile environment" cultivated by immigration officials after submitting his application for a spousal visa last year. "We tried to get some help at the embassy in Barbados but it is all done online - there is hardly anybody in Barbados to give you any help," he said. "I have given all the information they asked for and more. I have waited and waited and nothing has happened. |
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"I have been playing cricket in the UK for many years but I have always come back when my visa stated. I have never stayed longer than I was due to stay. If I had six months to play in the leagues, I would always come back on time. Never once in 44 years have I overstayed my time.
"I was not born a British citizen but I have been going to Britain long enough to feel part of the English set-up. You cannot come to a country for so many years without loving the place. I have been coming and going, loving the country and that is the sad thing, really. When I tell people what's going on, they say: 'That can't be right.' But it is right because here I am, stuck in Barbados not knowing when this will end." Another West Indies-born former cricketer, Richard Stewart, who played for Middlesex in the 1960s, has faced a similar struggle in his attempts to receive a British passport. Stewart arrived in England in 1955, aged 10, and has lived there ever since, but was only told this week that he had been granted citizenship. |
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18th July 2018
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King was still playing club cricket for Yorkshire side Dunnington CC into his sixties.
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Really tempted to lay England again
Looks bright in Manchester. India need to bat an hour before lunch and an hour after lunch. Greed is a terrible thing |
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In case they shut up shop.
Tbf I got lucky yesterday afternoon and my boat came in. I sacrificed 75% of my draw green to green out completely. I was also fortunate to be able to lay the draw below evens. I have a ridiculous India green. Not saying there is a snowball’s but if Stokes pursues aggressive fields India may post a small total and anything is possible on day 5 at least in my dreams. What I mean is I am winning more than I would have been happy to settle for before the start so there is little point in chasing except of course for unadulterated degenerate greed and gambling addiction. |
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I can't imagine they shut up shop to 2 runs an over, especially as runs are important too
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I think you are probably right Jerry
My fear is one wicket opens the door to 3 left handlers who might not be best placed to deal with a new ball. Once they have they will then have to deal with Dawson bowling into the rough. I think they can deal with him particularly if the current batsmen can deal with the new ball. Interesting to see how Dawson fares today on a 5th day strip. He is a decent cricketer but I do not believe will add much to the recovery of the Ashes. He needs to rip it up or w3 go back to Bashir or Regan in Aus. He deserves a crack at The Oval. He has certainly done his time. I just do not see too much in him at this level apart from being a great competitor, which,is sometimes not enough |