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By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 11:06
An hour of Brooks and Bairstow, please.
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 30 Jun 23 11:23
One of these two needs to make another 50 runs for England to have a chance of winning this test. Don’t see many runs from the 4 seamers - combined total of 40 runs between them maybe
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 11:30
Serious bowling from Cummins and Starc this morning.

The devil in me wants to note that it's perhaps because we're now trying to fend off the short balls Devil
By:
elisjohn
When: 30 Jun 23 11:37
they cant bat,
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 11:41
Almost 1000 runs in nine tests.
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 11:42
Wish I couldn't bat.
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 30 Jun 23 11:51
350-370 would be a acceptable score now.
By:
elisjohn
When: 30 Jun 23 12:05
pathetic
By:
sageform
When: 30 Jun 23 12:09
Tactics aside, Australia are better players than England in every aspect of the game and have been for a while. Stokes would be dropped if he was not captain and I still think he should be dropped as a player and captain at the end of this match. 17 runs and 3 overs for 17!
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 12:11
34/3 today

Most would be naysaying if we'd attacked and been 80/3 today. Just saying.
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 30 Jun 23 12:11
Be lucky to make 350.

Pace attack of Aussie is just much better then English
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 30 Jun 23 12:17
If England make 350, then they will need Australia bowled for 220. Suppose they only have to get 9 wickets as Lyon won’t bat
By:
oddduck
When: 30 Jun 23 12:18
Why are England slogging?
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 12:18
Much like it was fine Duckett flailing around for the first 133 deliveries (he left two), but not the 134th.

Cummins and Starc clearly electric for their first spells this morning, knowing they were gonna go hell for leather up at England. They did it superbly, but we went nowhere...and still got out (not having gotten into any hint of touch).

For me, the English press, the English old guard (players and fans) don't deserve the past twelve months of innovation.

My guess is it will all grow tired very quickly for McCullum.

Let's roll back the days of 127 all out.
By:
oddduck
When: 30 Jun 23 12:22
Robinson is a complete plank
By:
sageform
When: 30 Jun 23 12:22
The stats say that it is the batsmen where Australia lead the world with 3 in the top 6. Only Root from the England side would make the world top 10 and the second top rated is Brook who is very promising but inexperienced in tests. Crawley and Duckett not in the top 40! The 90 in this match is the best opening partnership for 30 years which says it all.
By:
sageform
When: 30 Jun 23 12:22
The stats say that it is the batsmen where Australia lead the world with 3 in the top 6. Only Root from the England side would make the world top 10 and the second top rated is Brook who is very promising but inexperienced in tests. Crawley and Duckett not in the top 40! The 90 in this match is the best opening partnership for 30 years which says it all.
By:
sageform
When: 30 Jun 23 12:25
Broad has gone from a useful batsman to a total free wicket.
By:
brentford
When: 30 Jun 23 12:30
Aussies been absolutely exceptional this morning..some serious pace at times on a pretty sluggish surface
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 12:32
47/6.

Australia bowled extremely well, recognised how muddled we'd become and got their tactics spot on.

(Could've scored that many runs in four overs)
By:
geordie1956
When: 30 Jun 23 12:43
Bodyline 1 - Bazball lost ... this test has gone and they will continue with this approach for the remainder of the series ..could end up 0-5 by the end of it all and i'm afraid bazball will be another failure ... entertainment is fine but trying to win the ashes should have been the objective .. 1st test declaration was wrong and attempting nothing other than continuous hooking against fine short pitched bowling also wrong
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 12:44
What irks the most is blaming Bazball/Stokes for every dismissal, but it receiving zero praise when it's working.

At 188/1, Pope made a bold attempt to pull into the stands and immediately the naysayers came out.

But it is 188/1, going at 5 an over...sometimes a bad shot is just a bad shot. (KP, another great, lauded the shot...saying he just didn't quite execute)

We failed to put up a decent score for about 24 months prior to 'Bazball' - now they're scoring much bigger, practically every innings and people complain because they get out going aggressively.

We just scored 300+. Many, many a time, we all remember, England would not score 300 even once...for months.

We're not out of this match, even now. We're a shorter price after *all of that* than we were after a lethargic day one.
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 12:46
All I do know is, for whatever reason, we shut up shop today and we lost six wickets for 47 runs.

Something we have not done for an age.
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 30 Jun 23 12:49
They listen to the media
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 30 Jun 23 12:51
I suspect there will be another swing in this match
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 12:51
Every man and his dog would be in tears if we'd teed off and been all out before lunch adding only 100.

Yet here we are.
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 30 Jun 23 13:24
We're making a dogs dinner out of this.
By:
brentford
When: 30 Jun 23 13:27
think a few of them including the extremely talented Brook just need to work on the bowling machine at how they want to play quick short stuff...for most of the 188-1 the Aussies hadn't really gone to the short pitched plan

no good keep hitting it in the air when there's 2 men back for the shot...play it when it's a length you can get on top of, duck or sway the really short stuff and wear a big chest pad so you can let a few just hit you if need be...

don't get much exposure to 90mph quicks in the county game and not that often even in test cricket so understandable it causes problems but still need to find a way that puts the % in your favour...

Steve Waugh stopped playing the hook completely and was prepared to wear a few and sway others, Ponting used to largely only play stuff he could get on top off unless he was absolutely flying...
By:
cricketnut2
When: 30 Jun 23 13:38

Jun 30, 2023 -- 1:24PM, SlippyBlue wrote:


We're making a dogs dinner out of this.


more like, we have made a dogs dinner of this and I really can't see England not losing this game from the position we are in, as they will bounce us 2nd time around as well and quite frankly will for the rest of the series. That is before Australia have even properly started their 2nd innings.

By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 13:45
Stokes thinks he's middled this
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 13:46
And he'll be right
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jun 23 14:29
This Bazball thing is confusing many people.

Aus are better than England

That’s it.

I think Bazball confused Cummins too. Far too defensive in the first Test let England score all those singles

Fact is Bazball has also confused some of the England batsmen. This is Test cricket. This was possibly the best bowling attack in the World. England lost the plot when Lyon went off injured. How many overs have the Aussies bowled?

I like the positive approach that has been adopted but it has to be used in conjunction with intelligence and sadly England and their leadership have been found wanting.

Apt, we all remember 30-3 and 40-4 so our frustration is even higher now. Throwing away games is criminal. That is what we have done twice and we are not even one and a half matches into a five Test Series!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jun 23 14:39
Going from bad to awful. Dropping catches, injuries, not playing Wood. The Management has to step up.

I don’t know what the answers are. Their attack is better than ours. They take their catches, we don’t. You can’t expect to win when that happens...... Bazball or Not!
By:
elisjohn
When: 30 Jun 23 14:40
continues as we are, id be  looking the draw really to come crashing from around 10s next hour , there wont be any silly decs by Aus
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jun 23 14:41
On the plus side I imagine Lyon is gawn for at keas5 the next two if not going home. If England can temper their attacking with good defence when required they can reshape things.......... but I think not
By:
Aptdemon
When: 30 Jun 23 15:14
Tongue is our own plus side, too.

Knew nothing of him and he's played a blinder so far, surprised me.

Robinson losing mph, however, is a concern. He remains a metronome but peak him could be skittling here. Have to hope it's not permanent decline.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jun 23 15:44
I think Tongue is decent but not much more imho. I would like to see what the Aussie bowlers would do in these conditions
By:
cricketnut2
When: 30 Jun 23 15:55

Jun 30, 2023 -- 2:40PM, elisjohn wrote:


continues as we are, id be

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jun 23 15:57
I don’t think we should be playing with 3 80mph trundlers
By:
black shuck
When: 30 Jun 23 16:22
Painful watching..as bad a day as I can remember..I have no idea where they go from here..even stokes couldn't possibly hold his place in the team if he wasn't captain
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