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disapointing day for england
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The problem for England is no bowler looks like taking a wicket, apart from Joe Root. Jimmy is getting old now, but at least he still bowls each over for around 2 an over, Stuart Broad still bowls ok, but the rest look very average. Leech out was a big blow to England, but we just don't have any wicket taking spin bowlers at this high level of cricket. Aussies bat all the way down to no 11, while our tail end could get blown away in 5 overs. I expect Australia to get 500 plus and again we have Root as a world class player, the openers are 20-30 players against their bowling attack. Pope looks like he won't bat and then we have Stokes who may get a score, Brook, who may get a score and Bairstow who is a very good batsman, having to bat with our tailend batsman and if the sun comes out when we bat we may well get 350, but unfortunatly Nathan Lyon will spin us out 2nd innings.
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yes beginning to look like a sorry england but you never know.
id replace bairstow as stumper but keep hinm in the team, drop jimmy and try and find someone who can spin the ball. all in all a sorry start to the ashes. oz look the stroger team at the moment |
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Heard some pundits saying that the relaxed atmosphere required by Bazball looked to have translated to a lack of intensity and casual attitude yesterday. Hard to say why England were so inconsistent but I don't like seeing (for example) Broad best chums with Warner. It all made for a nice, comfortable environment for batsmen. There wasn't even the usual plan B of leg theory to unsettle them.
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Well a big improvement on Day 2 today. We bowled and caught much better. Lets see how we go with the bat today and see where we are at the end of Day 2, but we need a lead on 1st innings.
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Much better today so far but a long way to go. However, don't forget that we have Wood not playing for what ever reason, Archer injured, Woakes could do a much better job as an all rounder that Stokes who so far has been a passenger apart from being captain. And then there is the vacancy for a spinner with Leach out of action. Not excuses for this match but certainly gives hope for the future. The relative success of Robinson and Tongue suggest that Anderson and Broad for all of their previous records are no longer the best bowlers we have.
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That ferking Aussie squawking verbals in the backround constantly is enough to make you turn the sound orf.
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I was going to say if I was a batsman I would appeal to the umpire to have him removed as he was affecting my mental ‘elf!
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Didn’t see yesterday but much better from England today. I have backed the draw and layed Aus.
Pitch is flat. Early days but England must score 500+ and put miles on the clock of the Aussie bowlers. They do have the right attitude and if they bat all day tomorrow ( allowing for a Stokes declaration prior to close! ) they will be in a potentially winning position. Certainly there will be pressure on the Aussie batsmen not to throw it away. All to play tbf. Another enjoyable contest. I think this Bazball nonsense is more in the Aussie head than the England batsmen. |
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100 and out, by the looks of it, for Lyon.
Great for Aus lays, WD  |
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Interesting to watch how England opt to feast on the spin for the remainder of the match...
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Travis Head and Steve Smith (possibly Warner) though they have got 4 seamers to be fair...rather as England..
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forgetting Marnus who was actually touted as useful at one point...though that was before his rather more prominent batting talent became so evident..
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For pretty much the first time this series, WinViz and the market largely agree.
Last Test was probably a money-printer if you're the founders of/believers in WinViz calculations. |
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It was absurd at times.
2-4% draw chance and available to lay in and around the region of 3.5. For hours and hours. |
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The Aussies now realising if they cant get us out just keep the short stuff going and they will get themselves out
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So long as they can tempt England to hit the ball in the air, Australia will win the game. What is wrong with pushing every length ball along the ground for a single? No slips, no spin. Ignore the short balls and they will have to stop bowling them.
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That looked very iffy to me.
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This is where Bazball needs to be reigned in a bit as just stay in and let the Aussie bowlers grind themselves down wear themselves out with the short pitched stuff as it takes a lot out of the bowlers and as i type this Root has only gone and fallen into the trap.
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He deserved to be out but it was not a clean catch. The ball touched the ground before he rolled over.
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Well, well - perhaps somebody has finally discovered a tactic to tame our batting approach.
That said, short-pitched bowling has been a staple method of attack throughout history - it is far from as simple as 'ignoring' short deliveries. |
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can tms get rid of this clown Jim maxwell , thought that everyone older gets booted off , hows he still there
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I'm too young for the famous West Indies sides of the 70s and 80s but it didn't go away if you weren't scoring from it.
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Why not? It is not a 50 over match so they don't need to score at 5 an over all day. Ignore the short balls for 4 overs and they will have to think of something else.
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yep but that was pre the two bouncer rule apt' - Windies had great bowlers but also benefited from no bouncer restrictions and more uneven surfaces...
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Wagner often gets a lot of attention but a lot of the 'short balls' are barely above stump height and batsman get kidded into the feel of it by his field set and lack of any full length stuff..
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The Aussies want us to take on the short pitched stuff as they know we will hole out eventually and 3 of the top 6 wickets have already gone that way but what the Aussies dont want is for us to ignore the short stuff and make them work exceedingly hard for there wickets making them stay in the field for ages bowling countless overs and especially now that Lyon will not be able to bowl the majority of the overs it will be left to all the quicks and perhaps a part time bowler.
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Brook may well go on to get a ton but this batting is ridiculous
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I completely agree Sageform, there was definitely "doubt" in that given catch. Even live I wasn't convinced but on the replay I was adamant it should have been not out.
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Not all short balls are born equal, you can't score off every one (where our guys have perhaps been found out so far) just as much as you can't ignore every one.
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accepted apt' but on a deck like this it's easy enough to play even with the Aussies pace unless it's throat height and above...on an old style Perth or Barbados pitch...not so much...
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They are victims of their own publicity about entertaining. 70% of the balls could be blocked into the crease and get a single. Keeper back, bowler not balanced enough to run you out. Not so much "fun" but risk free. But still they play a wild swipe at leg side balls.
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I agree there, with both of you (brentford & sage').
Perhaps I'm being semantic over the original term 'ignore'. Duckett looked like a walking wicket once they went short (though that could also have coincided with his being on ninety odd) but I didn't actually think Root or Pope did. But then they got out to it, so perhaps I'm a lemon  |
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Crawley 48 and Duckett 98 were both suckered out trying for the "score". School boy errors.
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Duckett on interview now," taking no criticism of his shot , thats the way i play"
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From where England start this morning,it has been a great day for them, we are still 138 runs behind though and with a tail end starting at 8, I'm not sure how many might get. I was pleased that Stokes played a good and proper innings for the situation late this evening. I have always liked the way Brook plays and think he will be Englands premier batsman in a few years time, Bairstow will play in the Bairstow way, which will be good for us if he hangs around for long, the tail might get 30-50 runs between them, which means Stokes, Brook and Bairstow would have to get 80 runs between them for us to get a lead. Now we all know they could well get another 200 runs between them or more, but they could also could get not many. The game is very evenly poised currently, especially if Nathon Lyon is out of the game.
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Can anyone tell me how many Ashes tests have had a positive result when both teams have scored 400 in the first innings?
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Australia, hold the record for losing most Test matches after scoring 400 or more in the 1st innings of the match. The total that Australia have lost is 13 of which 4 of these were against England.
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would pretty much have to be England or Australia as they've played so much more test cricket....
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I am glad Duckett was out on 98. He might reflect on the way he plays though I think not.
Extremely disappointing dismissals particularly in light of the injury to Lyon. If ever there as a time to ground and pound it was today. Their bowlers could have been taxed for the whole series if they had two whole days in the field. At least Stokes used his head. Let’s see what tomorrow brings. I still hope England can make 500+ on this deck. Tailenders must contribute. |