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By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 14:33
to get 20 wickets in less than 3 days with a short batting break is a big ask but all depends on the state of the pitch and the direction of any wind at this ground
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 14:39
Is Bess good enough? we will see, I have my doubts.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 14:39
Draw move ready to go down now I think!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 14:44
I don't think Bess is good enough at the moment he is still young and has plenty to learn but in this game it all depends on the pitch and pressure of the situation. Wickets and panic and he is a great bowler. Dull lifeless pitch with confident batsmen and he will look like a dobber.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 14:46
Alex Carey trying to get Aus back on track with a mighty blow.....swiftly followed by Smithy matching it.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Jan 20 14:54
here they come to Daddy Laugh
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Jan 20 14:56
MASSIVE DRAW DRIVE LaughLaugh
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 15:00
I'm only light green here btw
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Jan 20 15:03
1.67 ive greened for now...........
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 15:20
Well played Pecker!  Great cash out!
By:
peckerdunne
When: 17 Jan 20 15:21
cheers wd, bat was unlucky i thought
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 15:23
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By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 15:25
& 77 pence of green India Aus!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 15:33
Now that India Aus is settled will tune into BPL final though deffo not betting on it.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 15:40
93nmph from Woody RAPID!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 15:45
Rain or no draw I would think from here.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 16:12
I think we have seen enough to know SA are up against it. I mean Elgar is a limpet but he was troubled by Woods pace and he has been out 30% of the time to an off spinner so he is not looking as rock like as usual! Nortje will hopefully be undone by pace. A lot will depend on what is happening with the pitch and if the wind changes direction.

I think the pitch will deteriorate but over time. Patience is key here and the game can change quickly. SA have some decent batsmen if they can get in and couple who can hang around once in. I don't think it is a QDK type of pitch but he can play straight if he has to.

Good last couple of overs for England backers!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 16:15
oh and by God am I looking forward to the Joberg game. Wood and Archer! Shame Rabadabadoo will not be playing!

I was really fearful of him and Nortje throwing it down at England. What a slugfest it could have been!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 16:24
I wasn't watching Freddie Flintoff at his peak but wondering if Wood & Jofra are the 2 quickest bowlers in Eng history! ...both of them have hit 96 mph
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 17 Jan 20 16:27
Mushy & Frylinck can still bring this bugger home but its tough!
By:
geordie1956
When: 17 Jan 20 17:03
Who was or is the fastest England bowler Cardinal Scott asks - its impssible to compare generations but 2 of the best were -

Frank Tyson was undoubtedly of extreme pace; Tom Graveney said about him "Frank Tyson, at his peak, was possibly the fastest bowler of all time. In 1954–55, England convincingly beat Australia by three Tests to one, mainly thanks to devastating bowling that earned Tyson the nickname 'Typhoon'. Roaring off a long run, he generated tremendous pace that unnerved and unhinged even the greatest batsmen."

My personal preference is Harold Larwood who was fast but extremely accurate and had the perfect action (it was later copied by Ray Lindwall the great Aussie test bowler) ... Larwood frightened the Aussies to death in 1932/33 - they even wrote a music hall song about him in the Bodyline series -
With a prayer and a curse they prepare for the hearse,
Undertakers look on with broad grins.
Oh, they'd be a lot calmer in Ned Kelly's armour
When Larwood the wrecker begins.[151]

I doubt any bowler has ever had such an influence on a test series
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Jan 20 17:07
oh Geordie,

You are going to get the treatment from Tom whenever he is back!

I have been watching Test Cricket since 1971 and these two are the fastest I have seen. Devon Malcolm was pretty rapid when he was pished off by somebody. Plenty have been pretty quick at times but nothing like these two.

I have heard and read that Typhoon Tyson was possibly one of the quickest of all time.
By:
geordie1956
When: 17 Jan 20 17:14
all about opinions whispering but a great fast bowler is always good to watch whoever he plays for ... extreme pace frightens any batsman no matter who they are or the reputation they might have
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 20 05:29
I have seen some slo mo footage of the Typhoon launching and that is the word for it on YouTube. Quite an astonishing action.

There is little more exciting in sport than a fast bowler throwing it down like in fact The Whispering DeathWink!

I have been to a Heavyweight Title fight and that is exhilarating. A forward confrontation in Rugby is exciting but violence is part and parcel of both sports. It is easier to mask fear by throwing a punch or your body into someone. Being hit gets the Adrenalin flowing and anger can diffuse fear temporarily but facing an extremely fast bowler leaves your courage nowhere to hide. Further you are exposed and everybody can see. The lad yesterday was like a rabbit in the headlights. His inane grins betrayed the smell of fear.

I would have made a pact with Dr Faustus to be able to bowl fast!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 20 07:58
wow I nearly greened out. The graphics weather forecasts were not very encouraging for today let alone tomorrow!The satellite forecast was more reassuring so I cancelled my sell orders.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 18 Jan 20 08:32
Missed the start, looking grim for Saffers....I cant see any way out for them.
By:
geordie1956
When: 18 Jan 20 08:33
what a start by bess .. Cool
By:
sageform
When: 18 Jan 20 08:50
Relieved to be greened out now. I have a token £1 profit on a result and a decent one on a draw. If SA survive until tea I might have a small draw bet again. Follow on looks likely though and that would mean an almost certain England win without a day lost to rain. Either England have found a good team or SA are really poor. Probably both.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 20 08:56
I think England are a better team than SA and have better players but these are small margins. What would have happened if SA won the toss? The team batting first have won the first two Test's and look like winning here
By:
sageform
When: 18 Jan 20 09:03
England have 4 first choice players out injured or ill. Has this been a blessing in disguise as it has allowed them to give great experience to Crawley, Bess and Pope?
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 20 09:21
Poor from Root there. Was in a bad position to catch that. It did go fast though.

It has been a blessing in disguise. Many have wanted to have a look at Crawley and Sibley. They have shown they have what it takes but early days yet as more kwality fast bowlers will analyse their week spots.

Broad is playing for his test future. Not sure about Bess yet although he has done nothing wrong so far.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 20 09:35
I thing the big loser from all this is Johnny Bstard. Pope has been the big beneficiary.

I like Johnny but his " thats the way I play " attitude might now come back to haunt him. I think we all wanted him to move up the order and be a proper batsmen but I guess he is best at 7 with the gloves. But now he will have to keep Butler on his toes. Thing is Foakes might be better than both and a better batsman too but he did not get a chance because previous management wanted biffers in the side not Test batsmen!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 18 Jan 20 09:40
Nicely done by Bess. Good bounce and I like the aggression! 22 years old! Still so much to learn but five wickets in South Africa in the their first innings, wow!
By:
johnnythebull
When: 18 Jan 20 09:53
England still in this..think they're going overboard somewhat with this Bess,figures flatter him imho,things have gone his way..no Murali or Warne in my book
By:
geordie1956
When: 18 Jan 20 11:13
Its eary days for Bess & he needs to reproduce results for a long time - nobody is saying he's a Warne or a Murali (mind he was a chucka) but he could do good job & develop futher as he is only 22. Obviously his skills will be properly tested in the sub continent so the Sri Lanka series will be interesting
By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Jan 20 13:19
going to be one almighty collapse in prices here
By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Jan 20 13:20
wow 1.9 to 1.7 in seconds
By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Jan 20 13:22
1.96 this is going to hurt some
By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Jan 20 13:25
1,74 Laugh guessers
By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Jan 20 13:29
1.55
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