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By:
nigelpm1
When: 06 Aug 17 21:16
forecast is fine yes - outfield is a different matter
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 06 Aug 17 21:19
As we type puddles forming everywhere http://weatherstation.lccc.co.uk/   on a ground I heard has had pop concerts on it recently, plenty more rain to come and no sign of any human beings working the night shift.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 06 Aug 17 21:33

Aug 6, 2017 -- 9:19PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


As we type puddles forming everywhere http://weatherstation.lccc.co.uk/

By:
Fatslogger
When: 06 Aug 17 21:33
Was just saying I was hoping it wasn't your pocket talking.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 06 Aug 17 21:37

Aug 6, 2017 -- 9:33PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Was just saying I was hoping it wasn't your pocket talking.


Certainly is, my position is not as dire now Grin thanks to this fall.......and after a pause I hope it continues.

By:
wondersobright
When: 06 Aug 17 21:49

Aug 6, 2017 -- 9:16PM, nigelpm1 wrote:


forecast is fine yes - outfield is a different matter


they thought there was going to be a delay to the start of play on day 1 due to a wet outfield but they managed to shift the excess water then and I expect them to be able do the same to start on time tomorrow

By:
nigelpm1
When: 06 Aug 17 21:51
think you're probably right but you never know
By:
Fatslogger
When: 06 Aug 17 21:51

Aug 6, 2017 -- 9:37PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


Aug  6, 2017 --  9:33PM, Fatslogger wrote:Was just saying I was hoping it wasn't your pocket talking.Certainly is, my position is not as dire now  thanks to this fall.......and after a pause I hope it continues.


Oh yeah, my £150 lay at 8s has gone. That's nice. Could actually go £1k green on England and still have £4k left on the draw. Gamble, or not? I don't think SA will survive even 80 overs tomorrow one time in three if that many get bowled at them, which would make Tuesday's weather academic. So I don't think the odds are that unreasonable and do depend on the outfield, because the market thinking we might lose an hour would be massive

By:
LendUsAFiver
When: 06 Aug 17 23:02
Met office has been appalling this game. How unbelievably consistantly wrong can it be? Bet it will be sunny all day on Tuesday.
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 06 Aug 17 23:21

Aug 6, 2017 -- 11:02PM, LendUsAFiver wrote:


Met office has been appalling this game. How unbelievably consistantly wrong can it be? Bet it will be sunny all day on Tuesday.


Was it you that once said (some years ago now) "cricket is bent, you just have to work out which way they are bending it"? Maybe the Met Office are in on it too these days.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 06 Aug 17 23:25

Aug 6, 2017 -- 11:02PM, LendUsAFiver wrote:


Met office has been appalling this game. How unbelievably consistantly wrong can it be? Bet it will be sunny all day on Tuesday.


It's not been particularly wrong, has it? Getting this evenings rain an hour out is hardly a major crime. It's incredibly difficult to get these things spot on. They've had a chance of showers at other times and they've not materialised, which happens with chance of showers.

By:
pxb
When: 06 Aug 17 23:34
People want more precision and accuracy, and I'm afraid you can't have both.
By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 17 23:59
The rain hasn't been particularly helpful in test matches recently. Both deluges in this series have not shifted the odds one iota.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 07 Aug 17 00:04

Aug 6, 2017 -- 11:59PM, jucel69 wrote:


The rain hasn't been particularly helpful in test matches recently. Both deluges in this series have not shifted the odds one iota.


Both were a little late and widely trailed, meaning rather less effect than expected at The Oval and a worsening of our positions. It had some effect here but England did insist on losing wickets in the gloaming.

By:
jucel69
When: 07 Aug 17 00:05
I'm doing pretty well overall, considering I've been setting up for rain in both series at certain times.
Burnt a lot of green but still making decent profits.
Just need to hit that weather play flush in the face for a massive win.
Something that isn't priced into the market would be nice.
I'm out of this game, weather looks fine for today, i'm sure they will get the ground ready, tomorrow looks better now too.
I'll wait and see if something pop up worth trading. I definitely won't be backing SA to get these runs.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 07 Aug 17 00:08
I've won every test this series and can't actually recall my last loss (although I'm sure that's partly that there haven't been many tests recently and I'm getting old) but I've frittered it all away with other things. Back end of last football season and start of this have both been frightful and the less said about CMM the better.
By:
jucel69
When: 07 Aug 17 00:08
On a slightly different note, Moeen Ali must have single handedly cost me enough money to choke a dozen donkeys in the last few years.
He seems to perform or non perform completely opposite to my trade every single fcuking time, batting and bowling
In a purely sporting context, I absolutely hate him Laugh
By:
Fatslogger
When: 07 Aug 17 00:10

Aug 7, 2017 -- 12:08AM, jucel69 wrote:


On a slightly different note, Moeen Ali must have single handedly cost me enough money to choke a dozen donkeys in the last few years. He seems to perform or non perform completely opposite to my trade every single fcuking time, batting and bowlingIn a purely sporting context, I absolutely hate him


I thought that as he was merrily slapping SA bowling all over. You laid England runs, didn't you? He did bring the draw in a bit, to be fair to the guy.

By:
pxb
When: 07 Aug 17 00:10
Without a wet outfield, this match is going to a result.

I think they will start on time with about 4 hours to cleanup, but bad experiences with wet outfields means I have greened up for a small profit.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 07 Aug 17 00:11
Draw gradually working it's way upwards. I'm taking half my red off and will reassess in the morning with still an enormous draw green to think of. I may hope for better from it.
By:
jucel69
When: 07 Aug 17 00:12

Aug 7, 2017 -- 12:10AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Aug  7, 2017 -- 12:08AM, jucel69 wrote:On a slightly different note, Moeen Ali must have single handedly cost me enough money to choke a dozen donkeys in the last few years. He seems to perform or non perform completely opposite to my trade every single fcuking time, batting and bowlingIn a purely sporting context, I absolutely hate himI thought that as he was merrily slapping SA bowling all over. You laid England runs, didn't you? He did bring the draw in a bit, to be fair to the guy.


Actually took my 275 liability of the table before I went to bed, but still left a decent profit on under 150/175.
He seems to have so much luck every time he bats, it's galling

By:
jucel69
When: 07 Aug 17 00:12
*off
By:
Fatslogger
When: 07 Aug 17 00:14
Does require rather a lot for the draw assuming start on time: England to bat on for a while; SA to last what would have to be over 2 sessions, you'd think; rain day 5, probably all of it.

Also worth bearing in mind they should try to make some time up tomorrow.

Those wickets when SA looked to be grinding it out fairly well yesterday just after I thought they were grinding it out fairly well and I should take some red off really did me in.
By:
pxb
When: 07 Aug 17 00:38
Just need to hit that weather play flush in the face for a massive win.

The Aus tour of Bangladesh is going ahead, and we might get a juicy weather play.
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 00:42
I am taking a gamble here laying England. The outfield might well be an issue. Eng players were warned about it even before the test match. And it looks like there will be plenty of overnight rain. Will bail out early if thats not the case.

Just looked at some history. Eng India game in 2014 had a whole day abandoned just because of one heavy shower. The reasons werent completely related to the drainage though as the groundstaff messed up the cleanup operation. No new drainage system since then. I think there might be hope play doesnt start on time.
By:
jucel69
When: 07 Aug 17 00:43
http://weatherstation.lccc.co.uk/webcam/currentlarge.jpg

Current pic of the ground
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 00:44
yeah ive been looking at that too.
By:
jucel69
When: 07 Aug 17 00:45
SOmebody needs to go down to the ground and turn those puddles into mudGrin That's where the umps get worried, like the SA v Ind game
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 00:47
Ive been monitoring it for an hour. Theres a couple of ouddles that have started to form left side of the covers. one of them looks naasty.i have no clue though of how bad a ouddle has to be to affect play. On an already abused outfield, there is a chance it could.
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 00:47
sorry still typing with the left hand.
By:
pxb
When: 07 Aug 17 00:47
dt, the problem with a wet outfield, is anyone in the know will clean up at the expense of those who aren't.
By:
East_Coast_Eagle
When: 07 Aug 17 01:04
from 2-6am today, it will rain 90-95%.
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 01:18
That's the probabiity. The bigger question, as always, is how much :)
By:
East_Coast_Eagle
When: 07 Aug 17 01:21
apparently its pouring
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 01:21
has the draw shortened at the expense of SA price in the last couple of hours? Or stagnant? I was looking at Eng price only which hasnt changed at all.
By:
East_Coast_Eagle
When: 07 Aug 17 01:26
im following the Manchester weather updates through: http://www.tfgm.com/Corporate/Pages/Webcam.aspx
By:
East_Coast_Eagle
When: 07 Aug 17 01:30
manchester town looks pretty quite on a Sunday night
By:
East_Coast_Eagle
When: 07 Aug 17 01:32
finally some cars going the past webcam! Looking at those pictures can see the roads are fairly wet.
By:
detraveller
When: 07 Aug 17 01:37
I think you are only wasting your time monitoring the rain right now. Its gonna come down to those puddles and if the outfield is ready.
By:
East_Coast_Eagle
When: 07 Aug 17 01:37
ok
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