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when boris was hospitalised he was a 6/1 shot to peg it
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Why worry about the effects of ending the lockdown, no one worried about the effects of introducing it.
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This is not a black and white issue. There is no consensus.
There's very rarely consensus in science at this stage of an outbreak. I'm following the advice of the scientists who I think have made the best case and are focusing on the medical aspect (their area of expertise) rather than an economic one. FWIW, this decision does have to come at some point and it makes sense to have a graduated release that allows those less susceptible out first. Not sure how you manage it though. I'm 47. Would I get stopped if I was out and about? Would I get stopped and sent home from shopping for my family like I am able to do now? How do you determine the vulnerable under 45 and how do you manage their isolation. Does the government forcibly furlough them? My big issue is the rush to break the curfew. We're nowhere near ready imo. Again, no-one yet has been able to answer if this rush would result in the NHS being overwhelmed or if those infected are damning themselves to a life with a new health issue. There is still massively conflicting information about antibodies so herd immunity could be dead before it's out the blocks. Quarantine is clearly working. That doesn't mean it has worked and can now be scaled back. Answer some of those points above first. Lastly, referring to eyeball's post above, do we know how many people this would include if we continued to quarantine the vulnerable? How many under-45's once you strip out those with asthma, high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, BAME? How many companies would be able to operate once you stripped away these? |
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Nicholas Watt
@nicholaswatt Break: I am told that a very tense meeting of the executive of the Conservative backbench committee 1922 has just concluded. Every Tory MP at the meeting and every MP who dialled in expressed deep concern at the impact of the lockdown on business. Some members of the 1922 executive believe the lockdown needs to be relaxed after the first week of May. ‘If we don’t do that we really will see thousands of businesses go under,’ one 1922 member tells me |
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People who dob people into the police for being outside, the same people who are screaming for their ultimate enslavement, will be the first people to play the blame game once their struggling to feed themselves and are left potless
That wont effect me so I could care less, but heyho I'm one of the few people trying to warn the stupid bas*ards |
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same old tories
and the tentacles of their evil lies are seen the forum |
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yhtl? At what point will more die from the economic damage than from the virus? Worldwide they are alreadt suggesting that could be the case many times over. Saving lives isnt all about cutting the infections of Covid.
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22 Apr 20 15:47 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 9,382 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog Quarantine is clearly working. That doesn't mean it has worked and can now be scaled back. Answer some of those points above first. ^ Four weeks into the lock down and 4,451 new cases today. Where are they coming from if lock down is 'working'? |
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Well at least we have some debate on here . Just need a few positive ideas to solve the problems . Always like to think outside the box rather than relying on government rhetoric and slides . They really have no idea .
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Lol, the amount of fatties out trying to jog/run is incred, but tbf once they get the breathing sorted and can keep moving they is on the road to recovery.shudder to think how many people you have just been held together mentally and physically by routine will not be around this time next year, you have to keep moving imo,need to let people out, just not to congregate, or go shopping ect.Also the idea we stop people going to the country is mad, the cops stated early doors about people stopping to fuel up being the issue , we'll how about petrol pump attendants and mobile contact less pay terminals or pay online ect, that move was not logical but was not challenged, now we're in a damned if you do damned if we don't.
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Sometimes statements of the obvious require to be made.
This may or may not be one of those time, but I'll make one anyway. Every country who has imposed lockdown measures wishes to release them. Some geezer on Newsnight (?) the other day claimed that US cities that remained in lockdown longest after the Spanish Flu experienced faster economic recovery. I have no way of verifying his claim or not. |
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tough question dotchinite.
i guess its tough to model we need to consider the damage to world economy had the lockdown not been introduced too. theres probably some charts and maths model like duckworth lewis that can calculate stuff like that. i dont want to be locked down, ...i think some time in may we should be on course to start opening up. if that goes well we can unlock some more. stay safe |
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I expect thats why he made the claim.
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you too yhtl.
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Likely that he did have some evidence to back up his claim.
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Election Maps UK
@ElectionMapsUK Government Approval Rating: Approve: 47% (-3) Disapprove: 32% (+4) Net Rating: +15 (-7) Via @YouGov 18-20 Apr. |
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Four weeks into the lock down and 4,451 new cases today. Where are they coming from if lock down is 'working
Key workers maybe. Potentially some good data there to show the potential spread when we allowed people out |
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Only shut for a few weeks for Spanish Flu. Seattle shut schools for 6 weeks was the longest I think. People still worked etc.
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yeah germany lost ww1 because of spanish flu...
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The number of Brits being referred for cancer treatment has dropped by 75% since the start of the outbreak. 200,000 people per week are no longer being screened for bowel, breast and cervical cancer, Cancer Research UK says.
C+p Today's Spectator News and analysis Concerning to say the least ! |
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PorcupineorPineapple
22 Apr 20 16:06 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 9,383 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog Four weeks into the lock down and 4,451 new cases today. Where are they coming from if lock down is 'working Key workers maybe. Potentially some good data there to show the potential spread when we allowed people out ^ Lets hope someone is collecting that data. I severely think they are not. Remember the current policies in USA and UK are based on debunked report that has no peer review and failed to even take into account that ICU bed numbers could be increased. That is the low grade of science governing policy. |
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Key workers is a significant number, but not the majority.
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22 Apr 20 16:09 Joined: 06 May 04 | Topic/replies: 2,086 | Blogger: lux's blog The number of Brits being referred for cancer treatment has dropped by 75% since the start of the outbreak. 200,000 people per week are no longer being screened for bowel, breast and cervical cancer, Cancer Research UK says. C+p Today's Spectator News and analysis Concerning to say the least ! ^ Agreed the ramifications of basically shutting down non-covid health care for months will be huge. |
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me grandad spent most of 1918 in german pow camps, they thought the death rate was due
to mis treatment, but shirley must have been spanish flu hushed up , of course in uk and germany, hence neutral spain who reported their cases got the name tagged onto them. |
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I understand people saying "we need to get back", back to what? the economy is gone anyway, who is going to buy a car,go on holiday,even a haircut has risks,pubs,restaurants,no thanks?
An early exit is only going to lead back to square one at this point in time in the UK. While this is around the economy as we knew it is gone imo,limping on now but many are already struggling. Agree it isn't "fair" on younger people but not much fun for anyone. |
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Italian figures continue to go in the right direction.
March and April daily cases splitting month in to three: Mar P1 902 P2 3,687 P3 5,343 Apr P1 4,179 P2 3,365 P3 3,050 |
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Anyone got a clue what percentage of the population have had given 50% have no symptoms and could have been around since late last year?
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In a word, NO.
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Time for my early evening abuse of IT. I wouldn't bother replying to him. He has his agenda and will stick to to regardless of how irrational it is.
As for any comment from SS regarding people getting back to work it wouldn't affect him. He's a dole merchant and started a thread a few months ago saying why he couldn't be employed. |
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The answer is 42.
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I think its good, but they need to keep doing it and get healthy
There are some out there who I've seen for 2 weeks straight now and they look more comfortable, all about going at your own pace, don't try to race others just keep doing your own thing and they'll get there in the end. |
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I can live without supermarkets/shops, I don't need the state to take care of me |
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I think pa makes a good point to be fair.
It wasn't that long ago that the government was faffing round on whether to lockdown or not and then had that silly period of allowing pubs and restaurants to stay open but advising people not to visit them. I think it's gonna be a long time before people are confident enough to mingle in the same way as before and it doesn't matter how many Tea Party capitalists try to use their influence. The public will need to be comfortable that the virus is down to a really negligible level and/or a vaccine or effective treatment is found before we go back to the same leisure activities or even making big investments. |
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That is true and it is a big shame given this 1.2% figure.
I think that in time we will regret changing strategy on the basis of the alarmist Imperial paper rather than putting all our energy into properly protecting things like carehomes and other vulnerable people whilst sorted out testing. Countries like Sweden and Iceland I think will ultimately be seen to have handled this the best. Sweden is lucky because the CMO makes the medical decisions so it is not political. |
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I know why Boris felt he had to do it politically. Every other big country was doing it and he did not want to be the odd one out. Safety in numbers even if it was a sub optimal solution.
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...but even having bought time with the lockdown, the UK still hasn't sorted out testing, has it?
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what did boris do that he felt he must
hide? stupidly catch the virus by shaking hands with folk go to hospital? clap for carers ? 98.8 % not mentioned much in your thread, ...for obvious reasons i suppose. your 22 committee are seething nearly as much as you they may flush johnson out of hiding soon to get him to lift the lockdown on 11 may which looks to have been planned for by many who might well know |