----you-have-to-laugh---
22 Apr 20 15:01
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why do i want that figure ?


that is the total number of humans you are prepared to kill to allow you freedom to roam

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It is not a death rate.

What it means if 1,000,000 died worldwide from Covid 19 then 12,000 are likely to be under 45.

PorcupineorPineapple
22 Apr 20 15:07
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Show us the scientific evidence for these theories to justify such a massive policy experiment.


If all you ever do is sea-lion anyone who raises valid arguments then what's the point?


Why is it a policy experiment. Show me the science that it's more of an experiment than ending lockdown with a killer virus still swarming the country and your evidence that the NHS would be able to handle the number of cases involved and there would be no after-effects.

How about you do that if you're so convinced that under-45's will emerge from this fine.

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It is the trend so far from a sample size 180,000 deaths that shows under 45s are just over 1% of those deaths.

More under 45s due from suicide yet we are not trashing our economy for that.

What do you propose we do with no vaccine or cure in sight for over a year? Keep lock down for a year?

we need to purge the virus as far as possible, then supply folk with masks to help prevent spread.


economy would be trashed beyond recall without the lockdown to facilitate above

* The NHS England data is under 40s. ONS under 45s

It makes me laugh when the govt says, giving people masks will mean the NHS has less,
but if the public all have masks, the NHS will have far less people going into hospital with Covid 19..

Again, that's why I said put deaths to one side. Because, the data also shows that far more people need medical help and survive than die. So, before we implement your brilliant idea can you tell us what the strain on the NHS would be of removing restrictions and encouraging under-45's to contract the disease? How many beds? What would the cost be etc?

Looking at deaths is looking at the problem through a minute hole imo.

Lol Dambuster,take a bow,sometimes someone hits the bullseye with common sense.

How do you do that with no cure or vaccine when there are 115,000 active cases in the UK?


This is a pretty easy one isn't it? You wait.

Wait until the number is far, far less than that. Then you allow limited re-integration and proper safety measures. And you test and contact trace like crazy.


Otherwise you get another mass outbreak, thousands more die and the country's faith in the government to manage this situation is finally thrown into the sea.

You tell me to justify locking down everyone...


You're probably best asking a epimologist tbh. I'm simply proposing following the experts' advice. What is the expert advice behind your relenting? I know you're saying very few will die, and I accept that. But that's not the whole picture is it? So, the "experts" behind this idea, how have they calculated the cost to the NHS of doing so?

we may never have a vaccine for this, its likely we will but possible we wont.

so getting figure as low as possible before getting on with life is best way forward.

economy will revive

its just a dry run for brexit

PorcupineorPineapple
22 Apr 20 15:24
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You tell me to justify locking down everyone...


You're probably best asking a epimologist tbh. I'm simply proposing following the experts' advice. What is the expert advice behind your relenting? I know you're saying very few will die, and I accept that. But that's not the whole picture is it? So, the "experts" behind this idea, how have they calculated the cost to the NHS of doing so?

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Which experts? Experts in Sweden think the UK have made a big making a mistake.

This is not a black and white issue. There is no consensus.

germans have been testing

they will know what infection rate is in general public, not just hospital cases




i cant find evidence of uk doing this sampling yet, so guess that will be essential before
lifting lockdown

----you-have-to-laugh---
22 Apr 20 15:27
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we may never have a vaccine for this, its likely we will but possible we wont.

so getting figure as low as possible before getting on with life is best way forward.

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Then you are back to square one when it spreads again and if lockdown is your go to policy you look down again.

Without a vaccine herd immunity only option?

We don't know the number of active cases in the UK, no updates are provided to the numbers of recovered patients.

America now saying the virus was there in January

You have to be simple to be buying any of it

So more number padding incoming then

Of the under 1.2% how many were obese or had other health issues,or how many had "underlying" health problems.? Just because your under 45 doesn't mean your Fit and Healthy.

It's not even difficult .

The government and the "experts" know who are at risk so these are the people to target -

CARE HOMES

Full of people on their last legs and a high percentage with underlying health conditions . Once one contracts the virus it runs through the home.

The carers , doctors etc. are not screened for covid 19 so anyone with the infection can infect the population and with poor immunity to infection

there is only one way to go .

All workers in these units must be screened daily because it is the only way that infection can be intoduced .

PEOPLE WITH UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS

Stay at home and have as little contact as possible with those in the same household . The responsibility should rest with those in the same

household to take all precautions . Daily testing would be best . 

OBESE

Same as above

BAME

Same as above

OVER 70'S

Same as above

Entry into the UK should be strictly regulated with entrants either tested or quarantined .

Testing should be carried out for the rest of the population and positives should be quarantined and not in a ward with loads of others .

The government and "experts" should learn from this close shave .

Plans need to be put in place to prevent this farce ever happening again .

They need to concentrate on the health of the nation with proactive teaching on diet and well being .

Schools should teach pupils about diet and exercise . Sports should be free for all and there should be high taxes on processed food , those

high in sugar and saturated fat . People should be tested for vitamin deficiencies and helped to change diet and lifestyle .

The government need to be proactive not reactive . Although the initial outlay  will be great , the savings for the future will be massive .

I have no doubt nothing will change so look forward to the transport use slide

Why the constant moving of the goal posts to hide previously being exposed?

Breadnbutter, most under 30s are unhealthy and overweight that I know, they go to work and then sit on FIFA when they get in, my brother tried to take up running last week, did one run round the block (stopped 3 times) and said fack that

Most of the runners I see are stopping up all the hills most have gone out and brought all the running gear etc, I bet they use them for long that's for sure

* moral dilemma

I bet they don't use them for long**

Thing is you need to build your fitness up first and then take on the longer runs, most will try to go straight for the long runs and do themselves in first week.