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EMBARRASSED AND SHAMEFUL BRITAIN
EMBARRASSED AND SHAMEFUL BRITAIN
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Instead of blaming the current tory government, maybe take a look at the labour one which encouraged mass immigration here meaning we are the second most densely populated country in Europe which are where the real problems lie and why we cant follow the Swedish model.I'm afraid it isn't just a case of "telling people to be socially distant" on this island where we are crammed in like rats due to good old Tony Blair and has nothing to do with the much maligned tories who are continually blamed.
Perhaps you can post your proposed " getting on top of it strategy " lurka that you think the government should have done |
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I haven't said the vast majority are happy now. I said they would be more than happy if it happens again, given the shítfest they are in now and will be for some time. I am not happy to remain indoors for months. I have been to Sweden numerous times. In case you got completely the wrong end of the stick, what I suggested would have meant less restrictions, less economic damage and being largely out of the woods by now.
None of this has anything to do with the death rate under a lockdown, it has to do with what would happen if there wasn't a lockdown, hospitals overwhelmed, death rate from corona and everything else would rise, younger people would die as well from all sorts. Cancer rates would be largely the same, so don't know what the relevance of them are? It's only for a couple more weeks so wind your neck in for the sake of others for a small fraction of the rest of your life a much larger fraction of the rest of theirs, a lot of whom fought in the war FFS. Do you not think all the hardship they went through they might have earned that, no? I am not saying it's going to burn itself out. I'm saying it's too late for all of that now because they didn't act soon enough and now we are looking at little or no foreign travel for years because of their inaction. Don't blame me for that. The reason people will suffer long-term is because of the govt inaction that I am criticising and if they'd acted sooner a lot of this damage would be largely avoided FFS. Way to completely miscomprehend the point I'm making. Drinking much? |
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And you can do one with your Tory nonsense too. I am criticising every government in Europe in case you still haven't copped that
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Watch what happens next. We will get over the peak and eventually we will get back to the bottom, ie the same place we were before we started the peak. We will release lockdown gradually on the way back down. Then we will be exactly where we were at the start, except we will have some immunity built up but still have a lack of PPE.
What do you think they will do next? Take the Asian approach of testing & tracking & containing etc or sitting on their hands again and letting another peak develop? What I am saying is they will take the right, ie the Asian, approach from then on when they should have taken it in the first place. Not hard to understand. |
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Spain can see them shutting up shop again,5891 cases again and 687 deaths
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None of that has to do with opening up again tho. That won't show for two weeks but they'll know before then from the testing. But certainly not after a day or two.
In the Uk's case, the only caveat I'd add to the above is that they still seem intent on letting it spread and getting to herd immunity ASAP (without overwhelming hospitals), so they mightn't test, track, trace like the Asians did, but the rest of Europe will. |
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A virologist was online the other he stated there has only been ONE vaccine ever created to defeat a virus and that is smallpox all the other vaccines you hear about are for diseases poisons etc a disease isnt a virus we may need to find a cure for the covid 19 disease the virus looks beyond us the coronavirus is a billionth the size of a human cell a comparison is a £1 coin on a jumbo jet
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UK is ramping up hospitals, building lots of temp hospitals which have been largely unused (so far) during the 'peak' (which i don't think they are at) and telling everyone they are ramping up testing, which they are not to the same extent or at all.
Right now that says to me they will concentrate on letting more people get infected with more capacity to do so after the peak wanes. I prefer to look at what politicians are doing, wouldn't believe a word of what they are saying. They never give you the full picture in a war or a crisis like this. History shows that every time.. They want herd immunity still but in fairness that might mean they get the economy back on track before other euro countries. Time will tell... Also currently if you want to send a patient to a Nightingale hospital you have to send equipment and staff too, which means they are currently understaffed and underequipped. Not built or equipped for the peak? Built for the next phase after the peak? Every other country is looking to increase testing and tracking etc like the Asians did, once the peak subsdides? UK doesn't seem to be focusing on that. |
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Duke - This is a virus which infects and the infection causes the disease. Corona virus (SARS COV 2) and corona virus disease (Covid-19). It's the disease which kills you. I'm not sure that changes what you wrote, I think what you said is still the case.
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Lurka "It's only for a couple more weeks "
I stopped reading at that .. what a fooking loon |
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BTW is there a single person on here other than mad Lurka that believes the virus figures are accurate coming in from asia as an guide how to deal with it? More chance of super-ted being real than the so called mortality figures coming in from China. The notion that the government should somehow adopt a Chinese type of mentality to life here locking people away not even allowing exercise when it's obvious to anyone with half a working brain cell that there are tens of thousands dead there far exceeding our figures is laughable.
You bring people fighting in the war up Lurka, and they fought primarily for people in this country to have a quality of life as free men/women not under 24 hour lockdown that china have had. Under your proposed "regime " the elderly guy that raised millions for charity wouldn't be raising anything as he would be locked away completely with the draconian rules there. Even if he managed to wander round his garden the internet restrictions in these countries would mean the only person he would be able to speak to would be his own relatives- I dont want that lifestyle and Im sure neither would he. |
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Wasn't there a vaccine developed for Swine Flu back in 2009? How did we get rid of it?
The WHO declared the swine flu outbreak a pandemic on June 11, 2009. "Globally, an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 people died from swine flu in the first year of the pandemic" WHO declared an end to the pandemic on Aug. 10, 2010. |
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lurka
17 Apr 20 21:18 Joined: 25 Oct 10 | Topic/replies: 15,190 | Blogger: lurka's blog I guarantee you they will do it all next time IT. I'd be outraged if they don't and so will most people. ^ Really? You want your personal atomised details published online? You do realise that millions of Chinese dumped their mobiles? This will happen in the west as well if they are used for tracing in this manner. I notice Scott Morrison did not rule out making the Australian App compulsory initially but after protests now says it will not be mandatory. We can not let a once in century event mean we give up our personal rights. |
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we could and should use public and environmental health officials to do contact tracing but with everything being so centralised and top down hancock will probably think his app will suffice
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Wrong thread!
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jollyswagman
18 Apr 20 09:35 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 8,924 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog we could and should use public and environmental health officials to do contact tracing but with everything being so centralised and top down hancock will probably think his app will suffice ^ Talk us through how you do your contact tracing and containment without having things like tracking phones, bank transactions, CCTV with facial reg at the front end and compulsory forced quarantine with tagging at the back end? |
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Less people dying from pollution related breathing infirmity
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trader, human beings have these things called mouths and ears on their bodies, we use them to communicate with each other. one person can ask another person questions then listen to the answers. if we are lucky the person asking the questions may have hands with fingers on them, they can use these to enter the information they get onto a piece of paper using a thing called a biro, or in the modern world they could use a thing called a computer. this information can then be acted upon. many old people dont use smart phones so this method may be more appropriate.
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The editor of the Global Times, a Chinese shill is enraging me with his propaganda on twitter. Almost enjoying with sadistic glee what is happening in the west.
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as mentioned by a question by a viewer on tv if the scientists don't think catching the virus and recovering gives you immunity from the virus,how can they find a vaccine ,because it relies on the same theory
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the scientific world is split on that question. General consensus is that you gain at least temporary immunity for a few months or a year.
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This is the sort of thing jolly...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10925668/coronavirus-patients-welded-homes-china/ DEVASTATING footage appears to show coronavirus patients being welded inside their homes and "left to die" as China battles to contain the fatal disease. In shocking clips posted on social media, masked men are seen blasting torches as they seal doors, seemingly imprisoning sick residents as the death toll today rose to 813. The new videos also show officials barricading doors with metal bars - and in one scene, a woman in a white lab coat appears to speak to somebody inside an apartment as a welder works on the door, sparks flying from his torch. Some tweets read that the residents were "being locked in while they are left to die". Due to China's super-strict censorship laws, it's extremely difficult to trace exactly where the welding scenes were shot. But the footage follows a previous video - thought to have been recorded in Nantong, in the JiangSu province - showing three people, allegedly infected with coronavirus being dragged from their home by hazmat-clad officials as they scream and yell. Activists say as well as Chinese authorities, mob rule has gripped some panic-stricken neighbourhoods and groups of civilians are barricading infected people's homes. There are also suggestions some members of the public are digging up roads leading to Wuhan and Hubei, two of the worst affected regions. |
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Gilead Sciences and Remdesivir beat the evil Bill and Melinda ID2020 Empire anyway. No "vaccine" needed
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jollyswagman
18 Apr 20 09:51 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 8,925 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog trader, human beings have these things called mouths and ears on their bodies, we use them to communicate with each other. one person can ask another person questions then listen to the answers. if we are lucky the person asking the questions may have hands with fingers on them, they can use these to enter the information they get onto a piece of paper using a thing called a biro, or in the modern world they could use a thing called a computer. this information can then be acted upon. many old people dont use smart phones so this method may be more appropriate. ^ Contact tracing through interview only? It is a start but we both know Singapore and South Korea use more than that. They use phone location data, CCTV with facial rec, and bank records. They also have powers of forced quarantine. |
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'The Singapore government published the home addresses of all confirmed cases, as well as where they work and the places they had visited. It then carried out contact tracing and home quarantining of all close contacts. '
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-what-its-like-to-be-in-singapore-home-quarantine-2020-4?r=US&IR=T |
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trader, it isnt beyond the wit of man to use more than one method.
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Sure but I would like to know how it is done.
Just pen and paper asking someone to remember is not 'as good' as the Singapore/South Korean high tech methods. Also quarantine is not 'as good' unless you have tagging and laws with threats of fines and imprisonment to back it up. If you want a gold class contact tracing and containment system you will have to give up some civil liberties. The question is how far are you willing to go? |
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STOIRY IN daily mail saying ventilators do motre harm than good say uk dr,s, FFS Italian dr,s were telling you that 10 weeks ago me,angoose and others were talking about this 8 weeks ago on here, did media,governmentsmp,s just think Italian dr,s were lying for a bot of a joke, the death rate on ventilators in Italy was over 80%, theres a report on sky going back 2 months where the dr said they sought advice from around the world because the death rate was that high ,they thought they were using them wrong
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Claims up to 7,500 died in care homes
As many as 7,500 people are feared to have died after contracting coronavirus in care homes, according to a leading industry body. Care England, which represents independent care firms, said it had collected data which suggested fatalities are far higher than those released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) – who recorded 217 care home deaths from the virus up until April 3. Chief executive Prof Martin Green told the Telegraph: “If we look at some of the death rates since April 1 and compare them with previous years’ rates, we estimate a figure of about 7,500 people may have died as a result of Covid-19.” But he added that “without testing, it was very difficult to give an absolute figure” on care home deaths.. When will find out? |
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Without testing you cannot find out.
Remember only testing suspected cases in hospitals in UK so far around 1 in 4 people are actually positive. So putting Covid19 on a death certificate without a test will heavily inflate the numbers as symptoms are same as many other things. |
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Another 880 GONE!
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Amazing how the figure every single day stays around the same,so no big spike to show these homes deaths like you would expect to see like Spain and France almost unbelievable someone could surmise..
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We'll never know how many people died from covid. We will have some idea by comparing the monthly mortality rate for this year compared to previous years but, and it's a big but, this years figure would have been much higher without lockdown.
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