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EMBARRASSED AND SHAMEFUL BRITAIN
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We will know from Sweden's final numbers if Lockdown made a difference in the end.
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Wrong.
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It will help.
The big fear at the moment is lockdown may slow the spread but without a cure or vaccine likely once it is opened up again we are in a no better position than before it started. In the mean time people with heart attacks, strokes, suspected cancer etc etc are not getting treatment with A&E numbers down 40%-50%. Add in domestic abuse and suicides. This coupled with everyone being poorer due to lockdown we could end up with tens of thousands of extra deaths due to the lockdown itself. If the countries that locked down end up getting bigger two year increases (percentage wise) than those than did not we will have our answer. |
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Just so I know you're saying lockdown (in the UK) may cause additional deaths rather than save them?
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Simply get the records of those with pneumonia on their death certificate too. You can get a decent baseline from the last five years and simply overlay this year's. Seeing as the govt are determined not to test and find out if people are covid victims, this is surely as good a measure as any to get a decent estimate of extra unrecorded deaths.
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to quote those on here regarding deaths of elderly people underlying conditions,if you live with an abuser who could kill you,he,ll kill you one day anyway
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We will know from Sweden's final numbers if Lockdown made a difference in the end.
Sweden have problems ,Rise in cases |
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in hindsight making a country who was 1st to have virus,massive lockdown your main supplier for your PPE,might go down as captain of titanic ,its only an iceberg , moment
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Charlie
18 Apr 20 14:09 Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,785 | Blogger: Charlie's blog Just so I know you're saying lockdown (in the UK) may cause additional deaths rather than save them? ^ In the long term it is a possibility if it is extended again and again for people other than those who need to be shielded. For instance we could have cut the numbers massively by shielding care homes properly by focusing resources there and allowing younger people to keep working using social distancing. If no cure or vaccine is forthcoming (never been either for a coronavirus) we will back to square one anyway but with a massive debt. The 2008 financial crisis caused hundreds of thousands of extra deaths from things like cancer as a result of people and nations being poorer. |
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It's a bit of a nothing stance because it is unfalsifiable. I agree the government could have and should have done more by correctly looking after care homes.
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No country put a bubble round care homes.
It is clear now they should have from the moment it was known over 65s should isolate. Trouble is too many homes and too many people coming in and out. |
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Tell that to the government not me.
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I only said that because, I believe, you have been supporting the government throughout this shambles. I'll apologise if I'm mistaken.
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the visors nhs workers have been crying out for,for a month,were described by a uk manufacturer last night as a 50p throw away item and with a weeks notice could knock out a million a week,
the sort of thing torys have been banging on about for 10 years laughing at what the nhs paid for paper clips.biro,s,plugs etc and we,re going to sort it out,handjob just spent 18 million on 2 million test kits from china which are now in landfill |
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China has a lot to answer for. It you think how accurate their system is.
I am not supporting anyone Charlie. It is easy for us to sit on the sidelines. From the start I knew I had to lockdown as wife very vulnerable. I also am a realist and I cannot see any way out of this once you play the lockdown card. |
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Again let me get your stance correct. You are saying the government has done a good job so far?
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Posted at the same time but would like clarification when I read other threads you have posted on.
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The Flu virus must be getting fed up with this,it doesn`t seem to have killed anyone in the last month.
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Did they throw them on top of the 17.5 million antibody tests that were useless as well?
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Charlie
18 Apr 20 14:36 Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,791 | Blogger: Charlie's blog Again let me get your stance correct. You are saying the government has done a good job so far? ^ I am not in a position to answer that from an overall perspective. I suspect they may have been taken for a ride with things like the Imperial College scientist and employing a Chief Medical Officer who could not protect himself or those who he was advising was clearly a mistake with hindsight. Allowing Boris to be lost has left the operation rudderless. I am not sure to this day why he was not protected and properly looked after once he got it. The top Tories need to shake off this concept that they do not want to be seen as getting special treatment from NHS (they are leaders and critical) and also they need to learn that we can accept they will make mistakes so they do not need to double down on failures. Only with hindsight can we know if changing policies on the basis of public pressure (and the Imperial Report (where is the source code BTW)) and halting the economy was a good idea. |
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They have left people to die in Care Homes. Chatham Girls would get more protection from a bus shelter.
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Allowing Boris to be lost has left the operation rudderless
Doris bought it on himself with his stupid handshaking. Again your comments are unfalsifiable so meaningless. Try and deal in facts not rhetoric. |
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Charlie
18 Apr 20 15:28 Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,793 | Blogger: Charlie's blog Allowing Boris to be lost has left the operation rudderless Doris bought it on himself with his stupid handshaking. Again your comments are unfalsifiable so meaningless. Try and deal in facts not rhetoric. ^ What are you finding unfalsifiable? What do you mean by that? How would you have handled this if you were PM? He is called Boris. Show a little respect to our Prime Minister please.) |
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What are you finding unfalsifiable? What do you mean by that?
Unfalsifiable is a term used to say that someone is making a statement that can't be proved. For example the people who live at the end of my garden are invisible except to me. Nobody can disprove what I say. Nothing you say can be proved. How would you have handled this if you were PM? Remember the four point plan? 1. was Contain. Did we contain? The answer is no. Do we still contain? The answer is no. He is called Boris. Show a little respect to our Prime Minister please.) I have no respect for him. Why should I? He's cost a lot of people their lives. So far he's been an absolute disaster. I cannot think of one good thing he has done so far. |
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Unfalsifiable is a term used to say that someone is making a statement that can't be proved.
Disproved is more accurate. |
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If and when this is ever over , There will obviously be a mass exodus by many of our friends on this thread ..
Perhaps they can list their countries of choice Below : Thank you |
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Charlie
18 Apr 20 15:45 Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,796 | Blogger: Charlie's blog What are you finding unfalsifiable? What do you mean by that? Unfalsifiable is a term used to say that someone is making a statement that can't be proved. For example the people who live at the end of my garden are invisible except to me. Nobody can disprove what I say. Nothing you say can be proved. How would you have handled this if you were PM? Remember the four point plan? 1. was Contain. Did we contain? The answer is no. Do we still contain? The answer is no. ^ What would you have done differently to have they contained it earlier? For example it was contained in Hove and in Surrey early on. Also a case in York was contained. |
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Where has all this fake sympathy for people in care homes suddenly come from ?
Odious characters like the Rent boy hates all old people anyway, he wants them all dead as they are Tory voters. |
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84 tonnes of protective equipment is coming here from Turkey of all places on sunday.
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What would you have done differently to have they contained it earlier?
Stop all flights from anywhere into the country. Stop mass gatherings far earlier than they did. Issue distancing rules far earlier than they did. Stop public transport especially tubes and buses or ensure health rules are followed far earlier than they did. Ensure enough PPE. Look into obviously dangerous areas like care homes far earlier than they did. That will do for now. |
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Turkey is a Thugocracy with that rascal Erdogan but we thank the bugger for this.
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Where has all this fake sympathy for people in care homes suddenly come from ?
People with dementia and other terrible illnesses left to die alone and in terror and a tory piece of filth like you has the cheek to Claim fake sympathy...feck off you vile vile cretin. |
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big numbers again,counts for nowt if it works out as 8 ounces per care home, 450,000 aprons or 3 days supply
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Are there any tory supporters on here prepared to admit that our Government's response to the Covid crisis has been woefully inadequate and that their poor decision making, hesitancy and confused thinking have caused a lot of damage that might have been avoided or at least mitigated?
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Charlie
18 Apr 20 16:26 Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,798 | Blogger: Charlie's blog What would you have done differently to have they contained it earlier? Stop all flights from anywhere into the country. Stop mass gatherings far earlier than they did. Issue distancing rules far earlier than they did. Stop public transport especially tubes and buses or ensure health rules are followed far earlier than they did. Ensure enough PPE. Look into obviously dangerous areas like care homes far earlier than they did. That will do for now. ^ Interesting. So nothing different on the contact tracing stage? You would have just started mitigation earlier? When would u have started. It was March 23rd I believe Boris announced it for everyone. We started March 16th as wife shielded. |