would*  not could have died

they were chucking rocks at the healthcare workers in India yesterday   

you make some fair points coachbuster, but there is still a lot that doesn't add up. Why is the death per population stat 10 time worse in Spain than Portugal for instance?

rather quickly to a lock down once they decided on that course of action.

we were slower to react than Spain and no faster than Italy. Only France are going to come out of this worse than us, looking at that.

the figures all round are blurred and confusing

how many people with no underlying health problems have died from the virus? and how many of them had a comprehensive post mortem to rule out any unknown health problems.

how many people with underlying health problems died WITH the virus and in no way OF the virus

how many people with underlying health problems died OF the virus directly and how much longer was each patient expected to live given their current health conditions?

Then there's those that work for in the health profession who have died after contracting the virus? how many of them were wearing adequate protection ? seems to me many were not and have been overdosed?


It seems to me given what we do know there is practically no reason why people with  no underlying health issues should be isolating and those who are in the vulnerable groups are the only one's that should, crashing the economy and creating more problems with these measures such as people's mental health, stress and worry of getting any kind of income in.... has all been a very bad idea, it's like in this social media and mass media age they felt under pressure to follow other countries and enter lockdown.

Yes, it's very complicated and confusing, but the stats don't look good for us, and even worse for France. I hope I'm wrong, but after the millenials and hipsters (and some others) have stuck 2 fingers up to the lockdown, when the sun comes out, I fear we may be heading for much stricter restrictions.

nurses also getting attacked /mugged  by gangs in part of that city

"the ones that stuck two fingers up are now in the hospitals ...reap what you sow etc"
But is that really the case? How many that were at the footie, Cheltenham, the pub until closed have got it compared to those who didn't? Like the ad for insurance where the bloke is being grilled about his locks meeting a BS standard, nobody knows.
What happens if we lock down for 6 months so that in month 6 noone dies and  no new cases emerge (just suppose)-then we all go back to normal and someone flies in from Peru with the virus. Surely it will spread like wildfire.  So absent a  vaccine anytime soon ,  herd immunity looks the one  answer. In the long run do the same number die but more spread out so you don't have bodies stacked up but instead a constant flow?

Morpteh. Like me they don't believe this strategy is correct. And noone knows whether it is.

Perhaps there should be a self exclusion register, you forfeit all rights to treatment from NHS for any flu/virus related symptoms, but are free to go about you daily life, could be issued with documentation to show the plod if you get stopped .

One reason people remain healthy in warmer weather is less time spent indoors. Not sharing the same air, getting more exercise, no artificial heat. Vit d and mentally happier. Lighter mornings and evenings. Hope, confidence etc.

If inside in summer, windows open.

I don’t believe walking close to others in fresh air can be contagious. If it is, this is a plague not a nasty virus.

Too true WD. The advice is effectively ‘stay glued to your tv and iPad. Get on each others’ nerves, drink and eat yourselves  into a stupor’.

What a wonderful opportunity this is to enjoy these green pastures. Yet govt want us cooped up like fat hens.

'"Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain"
Albert Camus.

I think there are two things the Government is worried about and that is the possible collapse of the NHS and public order disturbances

Unfortunately many people will not observe social distancing. I still don’t see many people wearing gloves or masks in the supermarket. I think people will start mingling by the end of next week.

The question should be asked about what is the Exit Strategy but more pertinently what is the point of the lockdown with planes coming in?

This weeks going to teach the idiots a lesson,600 deaths a day will wake them up or get arrested simples..

Just been out for some excercise, thousands enjoying the sunshine along the seafront.

In 9 months a new babys name will appear, Covid, it will be more popular than Muhammed is over East Ham.