We are not on lock down.

as long as people go back to their own pigeon holes the lockdown is effective regardless of where they  go to shop ,work ,walk ,run  (applying the normal distancing rules) .


it's a problem when people visit other  households  ...


over 50% of cases are from  someone else in the same household

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52017910

Too many people allowed to go to work, and possibly travel on public transport and then fill an office etc. It's all too vague or have I missed something? BTW I am a Key worker in a school. I have no choice. I am also not cr*pping my pants..yet. Some of the nursery children are though and someone is wiping their arse.

sadly the immigrant community live  much like they do in their home countries ...   today saw  foreigners  all working together fixing a car  ...it may ba a cultural thing i dunno ,but  they will be infecting their own   in a big way  , high numbers under one roof etc

In India they are all out in big crowds having celebrations while  applauding the nurses etc 

millions and millions of people will be put in to money perils that they wont able to escape from over something that to those who get it 0.5 can expect to die from.Lockdown,police state that may never go away.
Destroying your pensions they will say "we have asked the banks to give you money to keep you on track until this is over,then you finally get back to work and the business is f ucked anyway then you have got to pay back the loan with intrest,when it cant be paid back, "we will have your house and car" watch the "we will have your car" as it will be the next big thing as they will marry it with the Climate Change.

If you have a mortgage or a loan you are in big trouble

Crashing the economy over a virus that has killed less than the average flu bug by locking down everyone is going to turn out good you think?

There is more to life than money

HAVE YOU seen that bloke on every now and then wearing glasses and all black clothes every time dancing and waving his hands around doing a brilliant scarmongerning job    ffs!!!!

and the financial guy he actually dances and hops around  telling us about the plunging economy  - well who would have thought it

I have been involved in the 'economy'  about 40 years in various businesses and even I know that no cash flow mean no business  very simple

not that all these spoon fed civil servants will have a clue and like fleas on a dogs back they will increase in numbers yet produce fk all for the economy

there will be a lot of land cruiser thingy rovers big black gas guzzlers outside food banks with lots of red faced well off people delivering plastic bags full of cans

they won't get my beer though

If you don't mind living on the streets Putt 4 Dough

The lockdown has f all to do with the current death rate or current total of dead, some mongs on here can't seem to get their heads around that.

Sad thing is we seemed to be talking about South Korea-type tactics a couple of weeks ago, but we've now just thrown that out of the window.   South Korea really ought to be the example for all of us, as they've shown how to do it while carrying on more or less as normal. (Virtually no businesses have been shut there.) Around 350,000 people have been tested, which doesn't seem much in a population of 50M. However, with careful targeting and other techniques, that number of tests can get most of the people infected.

First thing they did was to set up lots of makeshift drive-in testing centres. You go in, and you're handed a swab and a questionnaire. Tests are usually completed within a few hours, and your results are sent out (mostly online or by phone). They're free, and lots of people used them.  We were talking about doing this on a big scale a couple of weeks ago, but we haven't really gone on from there.

Admittedly, testing millions and millions is hard to do. But there are easier short-cuts. Most people who get CV start with a raging temperature, and temperature is very simple to check. Restaurants were told they weren't allowed to serve customers unless they had had their temperature taken. If the readings were too high, the customers were told to go away and get tested. Businesses were told to do the same for everybody entering their buildings. (Taiwan have also achieved good results mostly through mass temperature testing.) Another thing SK did was to rush out apps for each local area that told you where infected people had been. If you found you had been sharing a bus with somebody who had tested positive, for example, you might run off and get yourself checked out. All of that, combined with the ease of going to the testing centres, allowed SK to pick up lots of cases at an early phase.

SK were also very aggressive about tracing the source of any CV outbreak. Despite this stuff about how each of us will infect another couple of people, and that'll spread across the nation, the reality is actually very different. There's little chance of us catching it just by walking past somebody in the park. However, there are a few people who can infect in very large numbers. In South Korea, 80% of all cases sprang from just a handful of people - a Zumba class where 90 all got it, a church service where dozens went down with it etc. Whenever somebody tested positive, the police would thoroughly investigate where they had been and who they had met in the last few days. By then following up on those people and places, they could identify many of the main sources. In a few cases, buildings and the surrounding area would be closed off for a few days. But the source would be eliminated (without disruption to the greater community), and most of those infected tracked down. Now, we have a tougher attitude towards the protection of personal privacy than they do, but I've seen enough episodes of Hunted to know that we could do a darn good job of following up leads ourselves.

SK also set up lots of makeshift hospitals. These were designed to treat the CV patients who were ill, but not amazingly so. The amount of equipment (and care) needed in those situations is relatively light. In these environments the patients could be isolated from the general public. Only if the patients started to go really downhill were they redirected to a hospital. As a result, there was a lot less stress on the general health service.

South Korea aren't completely clear of it. They still get case numbers in the low triple figures, and suffer a few deaths each day. But their figures are realistic for a country with a 50M population - unlike those of China. They're dealing with it and keeping the death rate down to the numbers you should expect if it's a problem (which it is), but one that's largely contained and under control.  But while we were talking about implementing many of these things a couple of weeks ago, we have since descended into lunacy. We'll bankrupt businesses and individuals across the country, and even assuming figures fall towards the end of the lockdown period, there's no reason why it won't just burst out again within a few weeks of any lockdown being lifted. We still don't seem to be doing any of the things that will allow us to test efficiently or target (and then eliminate) the causes of outbreaks.

In 2015, South Korea had a MERS outbreak.  MERS has a death rate of 35% so not to be messed about with.  The outbreak was contained to a small number of people and just a few dozen people died.  South Korea was spooked by this outbreak I think and they seem to have learned a lot.  Over the past few years they've been stockpiling resources for coronavirus testing - the best reagents etc available and as much of it as they could get.  The best resources lead to the most accurate testing.  With this current Covid outbreak they used their testing stocks extensively and as a result they are doing a lot better than anybody else.  Not only do they have low death rate but only small parts of the country have been locked down at any one time.  For most of the country it's mostly business as usual.  The outbreak they had in 2015 has probably saved many 1000s of lives in South Korea

those countries i mentioned definitely learned from earlier outbreaks, sars and bird flu too.

it is standard approach as the w h o recommend.

we were warned late january, apparently senegal took the warning more seriously than us.

We'd better forget my weekend prediction about the US, Darlo... 

I suspect we didn't really believe this would happen to us. It was largely seen as a problem for Asia.. As many have noted here, Asia got the dry run and has benefited from it.    We could actually have come up with a fairly sensible plan a couple of weeks ago, though, and we did seem to be talking about the right things. Unfortunately we haven't followed through, and are now in full-on panic mode.