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By:
Mexico
When: 21 Jan 20 22:30
Terry
WTF are you on about.
The global warming theory is older than any teenager. It is not her theory.

It has been known about for well over a century that CO2 in the atmosphere can influence the global temperature using the "green-house effect"

BTW aTerry plenty simple of questions addressed to you which once again you refuse to answer.
By:
hello :-)
When: 21 Jan 20 22:31
its not about greta terry , she is just a kid with attitude

its about whats happening right now around the world , half a billion animals killed in Australia , you cant watch any docu now without seeing effects on ordinary folk , floods , droughts , water evapouration , animal extinction , heatwaves , record temps , sea level , melting ice

and its all in the last few years

whatever you believe is personal to an individual and should be respected , but you got to admit there is a lot happening , and its all connected
By:
moisok
When: 21 Jan 20 22:45
I think you will find a change coming in the next few years and not in the direction you think
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 21 Jan 20 22:48
It has been known about for well over a century that CO2 in the atmosphere can influence the global temperature using the "green-house effect"

Okay so where's the proof?

There's no proof because it's only a theory.
By:
terry mccann
When: 21 Jan 20 23:34
Greta has a huge following from kids of her own age,they really believe in the bullsh1t,the kid/kids are being played.
Yes all connected for sure and ive already told you by what.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 22 Jan 20 11:47
And as the doomsday deadlines continue to come and go, it will slowly dawn on the believers that they're just as vulnerable to bullshine as their predecessors were who believed in witchcraft. 

Some good predictions here from the scientists.
Many of them predicted the exact opposite of what they're preaching now.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 22 Jan 20 12:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=jf0khstYDLA&feature=emb_logo

Some might find this of interest. Recorded almost TEN years ago it appears that some were questioning the narrative a long long time ago and despite the background music being a tad annoying ( wasnt needed imo ) the content and the comments listed below are so very enlightening.

Watch if you want . Up to you Happy
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 20 12:38
anyone challenging the warming duo princess greta/lord gore are immediately condemned as nazis  - you are not allowed to oppose
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 15:41
anyone who thinks that winters arent a lot warmer than years ago (in the UK alone) is a complete nut .

  just look in the garden for evidence ...lavender and fuschia still alive and in flower  ...second year running ...i think the coldest it's got in the last 2 winters  ,almost 3 years is around  -1c
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 15:44
obviously its warmer globally  but it's whether it's  man made or part of a cycle   ...it's maybe a bit of both .

if you don't want to be paying out for any carbon taxes then don't  ...take the train ,don't fly etc etc ...buy less crap
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 15:56
we are more than capable of fookin things up Terry  ...remember acid rain and cfc's  (ozone layer) ? ... all  down to crap we wre putting in the air  .
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 15:59
while humans produce  a net gain for the planet we do cause a lot of damage  but technology  will always  meet the problem head on , but us thickoes (because most of us are as thick as sh1t) are relying too much on the top 1% of clever people  ...just hope for the planet sake they don't die off  Laugh
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 16:01
and i quote ...

It was the void that changed public perception of the environment forever—a growing spot so scary, it mobilized a generation of scientists and brought the world together to battle a threat to our atmosphere.

But 30 years after its discovery, the ozone hole just doesn’t have the horror-story connotations it once did.
By:
Injera
When: 22 Jan 20 16:02
I believe the climate is changing but remain sceptical it's woman made. (Balancing Dr C's post..)

Even the BBC's Rachel Burden used the phrase 'the world is on fire' the other day. With emotional nonsense like that my scepticism increases.

Record snowfall in Canada highlights the issues with a 'global warming' narrative.

Prince Charles gave a speech today and said we needed to change. Nothing about China or India. All the focus seems to be on the West.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 16:02
Teery you're a feckin lunatic  Laugh
By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 16:11

Jan 22, 2020 -- 4:01PM, Coachbuster wrote:


and i quote ... It was the void that changed public perception of the environment forever—a growing spot so scary, it mobilized a generation of scientists and brought the world together to battle a threat to our atmosphere. But 30 years after its discovery, the ozone hole just doesn’t have the horror-story connotations it once did.


Now that I think of it, back when I was at school in the 90s, when we learnt about the ozone layer it was all about how we had created a hole in it and dangerous rays(or whatever) were coming through. Never heard of it since. Wonder what they're feeding the kids now.

By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 16:28
it's on the road to recovery since the banning of cfc's  otherwise  it would be 40 % WORSE .


maybe one of the few 'woman made' disasters ...although  i blame all those 1970s hair spray ads
By:
lmfao
When: 22 Jan 20 16:34
How do we know that recent CO2 increases are due to human activities?
Filed under:

    Climate Science FAQ Greenhouse gases Paleoclimate

— eric @ 22 December 2004 - (Svenska) (Español) (Français)

Note:This is an update to an earlier post, which many found to be too technical. The original, and a series of comments on it, can be found here. See also a more recent post here for an even less technical discussion.

Over the last 150 years, carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations have risen from 280 to nearly 380 parts per million (ppm). The fact that this is due virtually entirely to human activities is so well established that one rarely sees it questioned. Yet it is quite reasonable to ask how we know this.

One way that we know that human activities are responsible for the increased CO2 is simply by looking at historical records of human activities. Since the industrial revolution, we have been burning fossil fuels and clearing and burning forested land at an unprecedented rate, and these processes convert organic carbon into CO2. Careful accounting of the amount of fossil fuel that has been extracted and combusted, and how much land clearing has occurred, shows that we have produced far more CO2 than now remains in the atmosphere. The roughly 500 billion metric tons of carbon we have produced is enough to have raised the atmospheric concentration of CO2 to nearly 500 ppm. The concentrations have not reached that level because the ocean and the terrestrial biosphere have the capacity to absorb some of the CO2 we produce.* However, it is the fact that we produce CO2 faster than the ocean and biosphere can absorb it that explains the observed increase.

Another, quite independent way that we know that fossil fuel burning and land clearing specifically are responsible for the increase in CO2 in the last 150 years is through the measurement of carbon isotopes. Isotopes are simply different atoms with the same chemical behavior (isotope means “same type”) but with different masses. Carbon is composed of three different isotopes, 14C, 13C and 12C. 12C is the most common. 13C is about 1% of the total. 14C accounts for only about 1 in 1 trillion carbon atoms.

CO2 produced from burning fossil fuels or burning forests has quite a different isotopic composition from CO2 in the atmosphere. This is because plants have a preference for the lighter isotopes (12C vs. 13C); thus they have lower 13C/12C ratios. Since fossil fuels are ultimately derived from ancient plants, plants and fossil fuels all have roughly the same 13C/12C ratio – about 2% lower than that of the atmosphere. As CO2 from these materials is released into, and mixes with, the atmosphere, the average 13C/12C ratio of the atmosphere decreases.
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Jan 20 16:37
there are records being broken constantly , last few years sees weather become more severe be it snow , rain heat

australia and California on fire , record snowfall Canada , flash flooding all over , record temps set in many countries around world , snowcaps melting

could be nothing tho

but

worlds 5 warmest years since 2014 , climate is changing
By:
Injera
When: 22 Jan 20 16:40
As per DR C's link below, scientists have been proven wrong many times. They were predicting an ice age by now. I sometimes need a vest but it aint that bad...

Gore said the ice cap would have disappeared by now....

You pay your money...
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Jan 20 16:42
the reasons or blame matter little now tbh

climate is changing that cant be denied , all that matters now is the tipping point and soloutions
By:
lmfao
When: 22 Jan 20 17:02
The earliest plant forms profoundly changed the atmosphere - which once had no oxygen; whats so difficult about accepting that man is doing the same with co2?
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 17:06
Nothing about China or India. All the focus seems to be on the West.
--------------

It's cos we buy all their crap
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Jan 20 17:12
every year as population grows more fossil fuels are burned keeping up with consumerism etc

add that to evermore forest being cleared for same reasons

its really a no brainer that something would give
By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 17:16

Jan 22, 2020 -- 5:02PM, lmfao wrote:


The earliest plant forms profoundly changed the atmosphere - which once had no oxygen; whats so difficult about accepting that man is doing the same with co2?


The problem is not about accepting if climate change is real or dangerous. The problem is paying your hard earned money to people you don't trust, so that they can repair a problem that may or may not exist, and which, even if it exists, isn't caused by you, and even if you do have a part in causing it, isn't remotely big enough to make a difference.

When Greta goes to China, America, or India, I will listen. Till then, she's just after my money.

By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 17:20
Also her comment 'you stole my childhood' is a disgrace to children(especially female) around the world. Some children get sold for under a hundred bucks for a lifetime of labor. And its not them getting the hundred bucks, its the dad selling them. That's what a stolen childhood looks like.
By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 17:22
The moment she turns 18, she will have to answer to the world and can't just hide behind her team and deliver someone else's speeches. And i'm looking forward to that.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Jan 20 17:23
if her name appears on your bank statement report it to the bank asap and they will refund you
By:
Charlie
When: 22 Jan 20 17:51
detraveller • January 22, 2020 5:16 PM GMT
The problem is not about accepting if climate change is real or dangerous.


That is exactly what the problem is. If people don't believe it's real then nothing will be done about it. The first stage is accepting it's real the second stage is doing something about it. That was the message from Greta.
By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 18:02
I don't agree with that Charlie. If we accept its real, we will have to pay more tax. We have no guarantee that our money will make a difference, mainly because we aren't the main cause of the problem.
By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 18:09
If all those scientists can't convince world governments to get their act together, paying more money to 'offset' the effectsof climate change is nothing but a ponzi scheme. Greta needs to call Modi and Xi pronto and start lecturing them. Not us.
By:
detraveller
When: 22 Jan 20 18:10
Or make me a part of her team so I can benefit too. Like Deutsche Bahn. Otherwise im not cheering for her.
By:
Injera
When: 22 Jan 20 18:16
Re Australia, Roger Underwood is an expert (60 years) in bushfires. David Packham bushfire expert (just the 50 years).

A brilliant inerview. https://youtu.be/X2udzHHdvAc?t=93

A good start would be for governments and bureaucrats to acknowledge the three great truths about bushfires in this country. First, Australia is naturally bushfire-prone.

This is because of our hot, dry summers, periodic droughts, flammable vegetation and abundant sources of ignition. Second, bushfires cannot be prevented. Third, their severity and damage can be minimised but this requires effective management.

The effective approach is well understood and field-tested

You must harden-up rural and semi-rural communities to increase their resilience in the expectation of fire. You should reduce the fuels in the bush. And you need an efficient firefighting force. It won’t work with only one of the three; you must have them all, properly integrated.


Trouble is, the nation as a whole does not understand or agree on these key points. There is confusion about priorities. Thus we see “fire chiefs” focusing on climate change.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/bushfire-crisis-climate-wailing-ignores-fuel-buildups/news-story/13858ba2f9b6b08c7e2b4532d9e3ac92
By:
Charlie
When: 22 Jan 20 19:18

Jan 22, 2020 -- 6:02PM, detraveller wrote:


I don't agree with that Charlie. If we accept its real, we will have to pay more tax. We have no guarantee that our money will make a difference, mainly because we aren't the main cause of the problem.


It's not my fault you're a selfish-bastard. Some people have higher moral standards.

By:
Charlie
When: 22 Jan 20 19:25
Injera
First, Australia is naturally bushfire-prone.
Second, bushfires cannot be prevented.
The effective approach is well understood and field-tested.
You should reduce the fuels in the bush.
Trouble is, the nation as a whole does not understand or agree on these key points.


I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing on any of these points apart from maybe the third point as record temperatures and lowest rainfall add to the problem.
By:
Injera
When: 22 Jan 20 19:28
Rainfall is not falling. And these are not record temperatures.
By:
Charlie
When: 22 Jan 20 19:31
I say record temperatures and lowest rainfall and you say they're not. If we can't agree on that then there is little chance of agreement on anything.
By:
Charlie
When: 22 Jan 20 19:32
I suppose I should ask why not highest temperatures and lowest rainfall?
By:
JJmbe
When: 22 Jan 20 19:36
https://news.sky.com/story/storm-gloria-hunt-for-missing-briton-25-who-vanished-during-ibiza-motorbike-trip-11915083

Three feet of snow in one picture.
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 20 21:17
how do the dutch get on

much of their country is either very low or below see level?
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