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What kind of lives did slaves have before they were snatched for the slave trade.
What kind of lives did slaves have before they were snatched for the slave trade.
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The British Empire stopped the evil that was the thuggies in Indian for example whose murders ran into millions over time before the British arrived
We stopped the religious practice of putting their wives on funeral pyres We brought civilisation |
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education , medicine, infrastructure , roads , harbours airports , the civil service , the rule of law
There is a reason the African population exploded after colonialism |
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and money for their space race.
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When the British were in Indian the local leaders told one of our gererals ( forget his name his statue is in trafalgar sq)
That it was their religious practice and culture to burn their wives on the funeral pyres of dead husbands The British officer told them well in Britain we have a culture also and it is to hand from the scaffold anyone who attempts this He told them go ahead .. That put a stop to it |
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It wasn't the British public who made men and women into slaves it was the few rich elite who made them into slaves.These people keep saying it was the British who are to blame 99.9% of the British public lived lives in very poor working and living conditions with no health care and very little wages and little food .They had no slaves and had to work hard with little reward
Blame the few rich elite not the British Joe public |
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General Sir Charles Napier , that’s the guy
You can see his statue in trafalgar sq. |
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What they burned the wife on the pyre if the husband died.Serious.
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Thought maybe possessions or keepsake but not their wife.How barbaric.
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“ be it so . This burning of widows is your custom, prepare the funeral pile. But my nation also has a custom . When men burn women alive we hang them , and confiscate all their property . My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed . Let us all act according to national customs “
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Now I don’t know if Charlie thinks the Indians should have been allowed to continue murdering millions of their fellow citizens and wives , on going for centuries , it was their ‘ culture’
Or whether they should have been stopped |
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Chicken George was my fav slave .I will never forget him taking his new born baby out side when he held it up in his arms and spoke to the star covered sky and said .
One day my son you will be a free man and you too can have a mortgage and an electric and gas and water and community tax and car tax and national insurance and PAYE tax .and car insurance bill etc like all the other free men |
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I think Charlie’s mind might be too blinded by hatred and anti British sentiment to know
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You know fck all about me lfc. Well done on managing to avoid the topic and return to your blinkered view of history as you always do.
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Charlie, its a trap.
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do wah……...****e kinte my fav and spartacus
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I visited the mandinka tribe in Gambia,and saw the chief .we were told to take bags of toffees for him .we gave them him and he gave them to his tribe to sell to the other visitors .He said that the writer of the book roots and the film makers promised them the world if they helped and permitted them to write about them and make the film .but they got nothing .
It was the best excursion that I ever went on .we stopped at a very small island on the way where they used to have a few cells to hold naughty prisoners and it was very earee and very moving |
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The quote is there Charlie , you haven’t answered
Until you do your opinion is worthless Go ahead .... |
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Read those wise and indeed beautiful words
General Sir Charles Napier Do you think the Indians should have been allowed to continue murdering millions of their own people Because it was their ‘ culture ‘ What do you think ? |
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Well it was Britain that put a stop to that , thank god
ps Napier was opposed to slavery also We put a stop to that also , thank god |
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What good did all of that bring you lfc?
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I suggest you read those cool and clear and wise and indeed beautiful words of that British general as well
detraveller , read them again , read them slowly And try to understand how lucky we were |
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And how lucky they were also that Napier and the British were there
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Centuries of terror brought to an end with those fine and beautiful words
( the millions murdered by the religious fanatics the thugees also brought to an end) Be thankful |
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I think you may have misunderstood my question.
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jucel69 thinks so much of the UK he **** off to Thailand to live
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Interestingly perhaps, if you go to Google and type in “When did the slave trade begin?” you’ll be presented with page after page of references to the Transatlantic trade. Just another example of the progressive Bulls**t fountain in full insidious, normalized effect.
Maybe you should learn how to google, try 'history of slavery in Africa' as that is what you are asking as almost anyone with any knowledge of the subject knows that 'the slave trade' is the Atlantic slave trade -simple innit? That search will take you to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa and whilst it is wiki, so comes with the usual caveats, it is a fair rep. I can't be arsed ploughing through pages of this thread as i can guess what most of it says so apologies if already covered but basically they went east across land as opposed to west across the sea. Google 'Mansa Muna 1' who was so rich from (primarily) slavery that on his trip to Mecca he basically bankrupted all the countries he went through from giving away too much gold (it's said he was the last nail in the Egyptian coffin) and something to get you lot esp excited - google 'barbary slave trade'. Of course while in theory we didn't have slavery in 'advanced' Europe there was serfdom which is basically the same and that was only replaced by industrialisation which can easily be argued was another form of slavery. |
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Africans had slaves or serfs themselves which I know until today but hardly surprising:
African societies practiced human bondage long before the Atlantic slave trade began. Famine or fear of stronger enemies might force one tribe to ask another for help and give themselves in bondage in exchange for assistance. Similar to the European serf system, those seeking protection or relief from starvation would become the servants of those who provided relief. Debt might also be worked off through some form of servitude. Furthermore, prisoners of war between different African societies oftentimes became enslaved. Typically, these servants became a part of the extended tribal family. There is some evidence of chattel slavery, in which people were treated as personal property, in the Nile Valley. It appears there was a slave-trade route through the Sahara that brought sub-Saharan Africans to Rome, a global center of slavery. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/precontact-and-early-colonial-era/before-contact/a/african-societies-and-the-beginning-of-the-atlantic-slave-trade |
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One thing is for sure, trying to judge historical events using modern day values is impossible.
The word racism wasn't even a word til the 20th century. Just seen this on the BBC website, which just goes to show what powerful people thought of Africans even as late as the 70s https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49177034 |
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Denzil
You can use whatever weasel words you want but throughout the thread you've been belittling Africa. I noticed you didn't comment on the links I gave. Why is that? |
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Charlie why the aggressive stance?
I hadn't read your links from earlier as delegating too much time on here isn't beneficial to me,since you are clearly the instigator with this post can you show where I've belittled Africa especially as my posts are based on proven retrievable fact. Weasel words come on you're better than that I can remember some proper discussion with you in the past where we both provided cogent evidence no need to be like this on a subject because it involves non-whites,that in my book is racist you are better than that surely. |
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Fwiw I'm learning quite a bit from this thread it was a good choice of subject especially when the racially sensitive leave their toys in the pram.
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The Britush Empire was the greatest force for good in the history of the world lfc1971
Well you believe this I know it, it is not for me to disillusion you. The reason Britain and other more technological developed countries invaded countries who were admittedly a little behind us, was to MAKE MONEY!, nothing else. We did it for our sake, not theirs, So Charlie is essentially right. Just my own opinion |
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Yes money rules the world ebul but that doesn’t explain all the good things Britain did , so doubtless a little bit of love here and there as well
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We did gain out of it Ebul and it was our objective but the countries involved still benefitted from us being there.
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The only people who can answer this are the indigenous people themselves.
We cannot. We seem to have stopped building Empires, but multi national companies, still exploit countries. Also a lot depends on which countries built their Empires. The Belgian Congo saw appalling treatment of the indigenous people. Sadly even though the Belgians are long gone the Congo is still in a poor state, Multi Nationals seem to be exploiting it for it's mineral wealth. I think Britain tried to teach various countries our values, but were they appropriate? Also these countries were given no choice. Perhaps Britain did some good I dont know? But it is honest if we admit our Empire was to benefit us not them |
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No different from any other Empire Ebul and not something I feel any guilt over.
Go back to the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire. Both were savage but countries benefitted in the long term. We shouldn't judge them by todays standards. |
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No you should not feel guilt over it Akabula..
It is quite natural that countries do create Empires, or has been in the past, because they do it by war. Since we disapprove of war now, except in defence, we should not be seeing many more Empires being created. But it is only the people of the countries who have become part of another countries Empire who can answer this question, although they may not agree on this themselves |
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invasions are much more subtle these days
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