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What kind of lives did slaves have before they were snatched for the slave trade.
What kind of lives did slaves have before they were snatched for the slave trade.
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... until we started going on East European stag weekends
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Perhaps Britain should stay in the EU so as to civilise it from within?
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We civilised the Germans after WW2 mouse
no one likes to be thankful |
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mouse muldoon
30 Jul 19 20:17 Joined: 05 Jun 03 | Topic/replies: 27,602 | Blogger: mouse muldoon's blog Did Africa ever have an epidemic to rival the black death in 14th c Europe? Africa is riddled with disease. There is more disease there than anyway. |
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Modern medicine has reduced it of course
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Typical of on here. Poster puts up an interesting thread and gets attacked for having an agenda. Pathetic.
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not at all incendiary
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You have a touching faith in Britain and the British Empire lfc1971
don't let me change it. In my opinion the British Empire did have its successes but also its failures, by far the biggest in the Middle East, the consequences of which we are suffering to this day just my own opinion |
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As something that is very much in the past (Africa/America/UK slave trade) I thought it was worthy of debate and Denzil posed a few good questions.
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The Middle East was ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire until WW1.
The Turks took the side of The Germans and were defeated as was Germany. Instead of leaving the Middle East to it's Arab inhabitants which we had promised, we stayed and organised it ourselves. The results are seen to this day. |
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Nice try jucel69, sneaking on here in the middle of the night, hoping I wouldn't notice.
The fact of the matter is this - you're the biggest racist on the forum. Quite an achievement considering the depth of competition. I see you're trying to downplay the events with your whataboutery, clutching at straws to defend the slave trade. Truly disgraceful scenes, even by your low standards.  wac |
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Richie you never answered my question on the other thread.
I asked you why Wales didn't use its devolved powers to attack austerity? |
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You calling me a bigot is a bit rich, jucel69.
akabula, I was looking for that thread. Has it been deleted? |
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I cant remember what thread it was on.
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The reason I asked it was that in Scotland every SNP MSP calls it British austerity despite having the powers to deal with it.
TMM that makes it Scottish austerity. I'm backed by SNP activists like Sean Clerkin who attacks his own party for a lack of action. |
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It was about indyref 2 wasn't it? I can't find it.
Anyway I think enterprise zones, free prescriptions have been a positive. Tragic lack of much needed infrastructure projects though. They prefer social schemes such as the disastrous Rhondda Life building. A lot of their projects are very Cardiff-centric which is a clear mistake. They senedd doesn;t control everything but I think our NHS out performs the english on some metrics. My opinion is that they're a bit lightweight under current conditions but could do better after full devolution. |
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I think Scotland is richer and they have more powers than we do, I don't know a lot about holyrood though to be honest. It's also hard to compare because you have the SNP in power and we have Welsh Labour.
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http://www.understandingslavery.com/index.php-option=com_content&view=article&id=306_africa-before-transatlantic-enslavement&catid=125_themes&Itemid=151.html
There was great diversity across the continent and therefore societies at different stages and levels of development. Most importantly, Africans had established their own economic and political systems, their own cultures, technologies and philosophies that had enabled them to make spectacular advances and important contributions to human knowledge. The significance of the transatlantic slave trade is not just that it led to the loss of millions of lives and the departure of millions of those who could have contributed to Africa's future, although depopulation did have a great impact. But just as devastating was the fact that African societies were disrupted by the trade and increasingly unable to follow an independent path of development. Colonial rule and its modern legacy have been a continuation of this disruption. |
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http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ism/slavery/africa/index.aspx
Africa before European slavery The peoples of West Africa had a rich and varied history and culture long before European slavers arrived. They had a wide variety of political arrangements including kingdoms, city-states and other organisations, each with their own languages and culture. The effect of slavery in Africa By providing firearms amongst the trade goods, Europeans increased warfare and political instability in West Africa. Some states, such as Asante and Dahomey, grew powerful and wealthy as a result. Other states were completely destroyed and their populations decimated as they were absorbed by rivals. Millions of Africans were forcibly removed from their homes, and towns and villages were depopulated. Many Africans were killed in slaving wars or remained enslaved in Africa. |
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no one is saying that there wasn’t culture , of a sort , in Africa
However not all cultures are equal or to be equally desired we see that throughout the world even today For example the culture of the Incas included human sacrifice of men women and children to such a colossal extent that the tears of the children ran down the beautiful mountainsides like rain |
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Den,i heard about your exploits in Bodmin yesterday
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Very rare I agree with Charlie but I guess that how the west saw these people back then,the same as IFC, and one things is for sure regardless,they didn't deserve their dreadful fate
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It continues even today . When she was born Loise Lihandas grandfather wanted to have her killed , convinced she was an evil curse on the family
But now fresh from being crowned miss Albino 2016 the 20 year old student believes she would be dead unless her mother had not protected her ‘aggressively’ For Loise had grown up as an albino in Kenya where her white skin makes her a target for hunters who kidnap and murder them for human sacrifices Albinos in Africa often live in fear of being snatched off the streets and having their limbs hacked off ,people who look like Loise have their hair cut off their eyes gourged out and worse “ my grandfather wanted me dead because he thought I was an evil spirit “ |
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I don't think any of the ordinary folk had it easy in the middle ages.
Britain took hundreds of years of reforms both parliamentary and religious before the average person was given rights. It's not that long ago either. In Victorian Britain Peel, Gladstone & Disraeli pushed through laws and voting rights that shape the country into what it is today. Tbf there was a lot of bloodshed that got us to that point, but we haven't had a civil war since Cromwell, where we were a republic for a few years and not even the Revolutions of the 18th/19th centuries made it to our shores. Nelson and Wellington saw to that at a time when then the Hanover Kings (George 1st to the 4th) were not popular at all. I don't know much about African countries but it doesn't seem like the structure was there for them to succeed on their own. Therefore they were taken advantage of by more advanced nations Even today A lot of African countries are fragmented into warring tribes. |
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I don't think a comparison of Britain with the continent with the most number of countries is useful. If you want to compare the number of wars then talk about the whole of Europe not just GB.
I would argue the structure was there for them to succeed before slavery but after it wasn't. The west has been exploiting African countries ever since. |
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Not true to say that the west has been exploiting countries ever since , Britain for example abolished the slave trade in 1807 and used its military might to enforce this
The dominant Royal Navy after the defeat of the Spanish and French at trafalgar acquired the right to stop and search any ship suspected of carrying slaves The Royal Navy patrolled the coast of Africa with its ‘ Slave Squadron’ |
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The presence of the Royal Navy provided a security blanket that allowed for genuine investment and long term trade to take place
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Freetown became the effective hub of the British presence in Africa and took over trading forts and factories run by the company of merchants trading into Africa now that the slave businesses could no longer operate
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I didn't think you could get any dimmer but I was wrong.
The ongoing exploitation of Africa http://revealinghistories.org.uk/colonialism-and-the-expansion-of-empires/articles/the-ongoing-exploitation-of-africa.html The wealth of the west was built on Africa's exploitation https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05 Why the wealth of Africa does not make Africans wealth https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/africa/looting-machine-tom-burgis-africa/index.html |
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Witches in Britain
by Ellen Castelow Witchcraft was not made a capital offence in Britain until 1563 although it was deemed heresy and was denounced as such by Pope Innocent VIII in 1484. From 1484 until around 1750 some 200,000 witches were tortured, burnt or hanged in Western Europe https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/Witches-in-Britain/ |
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Local officers increasingly went into agreements and negotiations with inland tribes and groups to defend them from the slave trading Asante for example
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Of course Charlie it’s a battle between rationality and irrationality
Britain won that battle , here , and in Africa and in every corner of the world that the British had a presence in |
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The Britush Empire was the greatest force for good in the history of the world
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As I said before your opinion is worthless.
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As I said before your opinion is worthless because it is bigoted
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Lots of ifs and maybes in history
Without that colonial wealth would Britain have won the first world war? Now the Chinese have got their dirty mitts into everything in Africa. Not sure that will end well at all |