anxious I'll tell you why what is considered to be the normal range for blood pressure has come down.

It's the same reason they dropped the safe level of Cholesterol down from 6 to 5.

It's so they can get more patients and dole out more drugs.

I see that the level for pre diabetes is now over 5.5. That used to be over 6. as well.

Yes i have seen these sorts of things too crippen , im not tottaly convinced by either the medical profession or some alternative views

The closest thing to a reasonable post you've written, crippen.
Except despite the 'illuminati' style reasoning, the reason for the figures changing is to get people onto diets in the hope of relieving some of the pressure on the slaughtered NHS, prediabetes, high cholesterol is a convenient excuse. The cost of these drugs is minimal and nearly everyone diagnosed is not given drugs.

That has always been the case, anxious.
HDL and LDL, ask the Doc (or look it up)

The usual blood test is taken after fasting.
Take it the same time in the morning before breakfast.

If you're getting readings around 6 with your weight Aspro, you can easily pull that back.

I think as in most things moderation is the key , like in life when you go the extremes you find a problem

Smaller meals and portions is usually a good idea

Alcohol in moderation is fine i think , the problem is what do people regard as moderation

You want coffee, have coffee. And, yes. Smaller plate, smaller spoon might help, but mostly just have whatever you want, only less of it is what worked for me.
Anxious is absolutely correct.

OK - Regarding diabetes.
I'm not going to spend the evening battling Crippen in a forum medical Phone-in.

It's a question of what or who you want to believe:

A diabetic, with personal experience with specialists in the field, who lives with a highly qualified health professional.

or 

Someone preaching some self-promoting, book-writing, American with a discovery only HE uses for a worldwide disease and a couple of people who believe his guff.

In truth Study, tonight it has been quite a sensible and enlightening conversation between us all. Good tips from both you and Dr C (medication aside)

I had this conversation with the nurse I was booked in with to discuss the pre-diabetes. I don't eat a lot of sweet stuff; chocolate can remain in my fridge for months! My only sweet vice (aside from sugar in savoury products) is sugar in my coffee. I'd much rather have a sausage roll

Why?

Ideal temperature for chocolate is 16-18 degrees.
Cold, like hot can cause bloom (separation of cocoa solids), not that this will affect the taste, just the look. Also the cold chocolate goes from mouth to stomach without you getting enough of the taste from it if it's too cold, as it doesn't get the chance to melt enough in the time you're eating it.

anxious, I've heard low carbs is good for losing weight but 'no carbs' is bad for you. A weight program that many swear by is the 5:2 diet, although I haven't tried it myself

Here's something else you might want to know.

When you eat a meal the carbs turn to glucose which gets stored in you liver and muscles, to be used as immediate fuel.
The fat gets turned straight into body fat, to be stored until you run out of glucose.
You can't burn fat and carbs at the same time.

The glucose gets used first and then the fat gets turned to glucose and burned after the glucose has been used, during sleep most of the time. Or not at all if you've been pigging out.
The protein is used where needed and the excess turned into glucose.

Carbs with the exception of sugar/alcohol do not easily turn into fat.

So if you're trying to lose weight, try to avoid putting on fat at every meal in the first place.
And remember that 30% of fructose is turned into fat.

You can see now why those who stick to starch based diets don't gain weight.

As Dr McDougall loves to quip - ''the fat you eat is the fat you wear.''

STUDYFORM your 'conspiracy shoite' comments are ignorant to say the least YOU seem like you've bought the Big Pharma conspiracy and are paying for it with your health,I'm living testament to what a diet based on McDougall's teachings which are wholly based on fact.

Aspro you will always lose weight short term on any low carb high fat diet and any intermittent fasting diet like the 5:2,the problem with all of these diets is their contents aren't any good for long term health and sustainability only a starch/plant/wholefoods based diet with a small amount of supplementation provide long term definitive health benefits.
Aside from weight loss and all that comes with that issue auto immune illnesses improve and are cured especially arthritis and allergies were the most notable cure for myself this spring and summer.

Dr McDougall is ONLY promoted, written about, sold, by Dr McDougall.
His "teachings" are rubbish. Phrases like "Big Pharma" are from people like McDougall.
Your assertion that diabetes can be cured with diet - is complete blollox and there are many thousands of experts, doctors and diabetics who will attest.
You are living testament that some prat who makes something up and posts it on youtube can always find a fool to follow it.

Fad diets nearly all exist to make their inventors money, buzzwords/phrases like "Big Pharma" (or illuminati) are put there incase someone with sense or knowledge questions the BS.

STUDYFORM  • October 14, 2018 7:24 PM BST

http://slowburnfitness.com/dr-mcdougall-a-k-a-dr-potato-head/

This is the 1st thing I've found about McDougall, that isn't by him!!!

You are preaching the crap of a charlatan.

I suggest seeing true experts, taking the meds (if that's what's needed) because that's what they're for, a healthy diet, exercise, and taking REAL advice.

I'm assuming you don't intend to read the link I put up, as it refutes Mcdougall's nonsense.