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As of now I'm in the diabetes club
As of now I'm in the diabetes club
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i diagnossed similar 4 years back
went on bigmo fast diet now back to normal ! normal maybe wrong word problems with little chap tho maybe age 54 |
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STUDYFORM your last line has been the most helpful on the subject please bear in mind you are on drugs for life doing it your way.
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I haven't read it all but it's a shame this one particular thread has descended into a slanging match. I myself am type 2 diabetic, (I don't produce enough insulin) and when I get the chance I'll add my two pennies worth, but I've got to go to work
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Capt_F.
Congratulations I suspect you're almost there. During a fast your body is still runs on glucose, because it converts body fat to glucose. It has to, everything gets converted to glucose if you're not getting it through diet. And with the fat removed from the receptors, your sugar levels have to return to normal if your pancreas is still working okay. |
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problems with little chap tho maybe age 54
That's no age to be having problems in that area. I suspect you're still eating animal products and fat. |
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Should have written, gone back to eating animal products and fat.
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Well if I wasn't confused I am now
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Having a roast today
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The Capt hasn't told us much.
I'm only guessing he's slipped back to his old eating habits before he went on his fast. No blood glucose readings to confirm anything is a problem. |
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Yes Denzil is correct, on a fat free diet your glucose reading will start to drop from the second day in my experience.
A blood glucose metre is essential to record your glucose levels and see the benefit of your efforts. Especially if you're taking Metformin. You don't want your glucose levels to drop too low. Check your blood pressure too, if you're taking tablets for hypertension that will drop and you could take that too low. So knock the blood pressure tablets off if your blood pressure comes right down which it's almost certain to. |
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Dr Crippen, are you qualified to advise people to stop blood pressure tablets? Some need to be reduced in a structured way, with blood pressure readings confirming the reduction is right before quitting altogether.
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Surely you're capable of taking your own blood pressure Aspro?
And I'd assume anyone capable of undertaking a strict dietary regime could be trusted to monitor their own blood pressure. |
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That hasn't answered the question
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Indeed trebor
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I never give out personal information on here.
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I'm not asking for personal information Dr C. I'm just asking if you're qualified. I'm on a drug reducing plan right now and one of them is a beta-blocker that is also used to reduce blood pressure. Stopping that could be a high risk indeed, regardless of diet. I honestly don't believe you should be telling people to stop taking medication. Some may take you seriously.
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You need to read what was written Aspro.
I'm sure everyone else understood what I wrote. |
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What is your blood pressure by the way?
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My blood pressure this morning was 115/73 with a heartbeat of 72 - It has been as high as 230/110, which resulted in a TIA, hence why I would prefer to take professional qualified advice when it comes to my medication
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I didn't need to add the warning of low blood pressure because low blood pressure wouldn't be much of a hazard anyway.
But it did serve to impress on the power of the diet in bringing it down. You could come down to 90/60 and below that as long as there weren't any symptoms. |
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Not that I'm suggesting you take more medication.
One has to be so careful what one writes on here because you can't edit it. |
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Crippen is parroting some old guff by a would-be expert in the field who spreads his name online to "believers".
Like all conspiracy shoite believers, he won't be told that conventional advice is the best advice. As always they use elements of truth and fact and add little bits only THEY know about, after their years of research and expertise to rubbish worldwide medical convention. Then followers - as evidenced on this thread - and let's face it crippen has track record with this sort of thing, do the preaching. Put simply Crippen, and this is a question for you (and Denzil)... Do you actually, truly believe that diet alone cures diabetes? Not that I'm expecting a straight answer. Most of what you have said may well apply to "PRE-DIABETES", but as advice for full blown diabetes it is just wrong. Sometimes the pancreas just doesn't work properly, no amount of crap you're writing will change this. Also, this has MANY causes of which one is genes. Aside from the fact that you completely ignored all the points (except 1) you raised which I picked out from an earlier load of tosh, crippen, you are now telling people a blood glucose meter is essential. This is total nonsense. While we're at it, blood pressure is NOT an indicator of diabetes, but if you have diabetes then it is a good idea to not have high blood pressure, hence medication for this when three's doubt. Denzil's all potato and fruit diet is downright dangerous for anyone with diabetes. And whilst I'm interrupting the stupid "love-in", there is NO WAY that a fat free diet reduces glucose levels Diabetes is neither new nor magically solved. It's just on the increase. I strongly advise anyone unsure to read my 1st post on the subject (Oct 12th 10.10pm) and even more vitally, have a browse through these 2: https://www.diabetes.org.uk/ https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-2-diabetes/symptoms-diagnosis-treatments-type-2-diabetes DIABETES IS A SERIOUS CONDITION AND RUBBISH TOUTED BY ONLINE QUACKS AND THE IDIOTS WHO FOLLOW THEM IS DANGEROUS AND BEST IGNORED |
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btw, Aspro - You are absolutely right about blood pressure tablets.
It would generally depend how long you've been on them and what the dose has been, but a reducing dose might well be the advice. Or maybe, in your case, keep on them I would suspect, particularly after a TIA. |
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I think drink caused the TIA study. As you read, blood pressure was through the roof when it occurred and it was the devil's own job to get it under 180. Once I quit drinking everything went back to normal, which is why I'm now slowly reducing the medication whilst keeping a constant check on my BP.
It should also be noted that a diastolic level under 60 is a symptom of heart disease so not too low Dr C |
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Isnt it true regarding blood pressure that the distolic id more important than systolic , distolic should be under 90
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Dr's (from my experience) are mainly concerned with systolic but diastolic is now coming to the fore. 60-90 is deemed within normal limits
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120/80 down to 90/60 is the normal range anxious.
Systolic is the is the large number and diastolic the smaller one |
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Yes under 60 might suggest an underperforming heart, more so if you're older.
It depends on your age, anxious. BP increases as we get older. Diastolic is the more important and truer reading. The systolic is more readily affected by recent food or movement and so is less constant. These numbers should not be taken in isolation and depend on loads of factors. I've been trying to get any information I can on this McDougall clown, and his clown college. It seems to be a vanity project. The only information about him is by him and his family. There are youtube videos (wow, have these ever been promoted on this forum before?! He's even produced what look like official papers to try giving some weight to his ideas - Only when you get to the end of some very tricky reading do you see who the author is. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. Anyone worried about diabetes.... IGNORE whatever Crippen and Denzil have written on here. |
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Another hysterical comedy of errors from STUDYFORM.
While we're at it, blood pressure is NOT an indicator of diabetes It certainly isn't, and can't see where anyone said that it is. Do you actually, truly believe that diet alone cures diabetes? S2 diabetes yes it can completely in some cases long as the pancreas is still working okay. And the testimonies are out there if you look. Only a fool wouldn't give it a try. you are now telling people a blood glucose meter is essential. This is total nonsense. Yet the NHS supply diabetics with blood meters so they can take their own daily readings and adjust their medication as needed. Diabetes is a condition that is measured by the level of glucose in your blood. There's no judgement involved, your readings are either within the range given or they're not. |
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They used to say 140 - 90 was the blood pressure ideal level , now it is 120 - 80 is this because heart disease has increased especially in the Western world
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I could use some advice here guys (you can argue it if you want)
As I said very early on this thread I have been told I'm 'pre-diabetic' and I'm on a 3 watch period. I've looked up these meters and some say they take a reading on one hand and then the other hand and the readings are completely different! I've been told that the only true reading is a blood test? |
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I can't see why STUDTFORM is so hostile to something that most likely would help someone like him no end.
It seems he gets consumed with madness at any attempt from anyone to pass on information to him. |
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http://slowburnfitness.com/dr-mcdougall-a-k-a-dr-potato-head/
This is the 1st thing I've found about McDougall, that isn't by him!!! |
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i have read that poor sleep can also cause erratic blood levels . so it is about diet but also genetics too , exercise etc , its a minefield of a subject
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I'm hostile to idiots crippen - you're an idiot.
What F*King testimonies? The ones McDougall claims? What personal experience do you have? Blood Glucose readings are taken to report back to medical professionals NOT to adjust medication, unless you're Type 1. |
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Aspro - prediabetics are all over the place since the guidelines moved the numbers about.
Please read my original post 12th at 10.10pm Just eat sensibly and try not to weigh too much, that should keep you on the right side. |
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That's correct Aspro, the only accurate reading is the one from the proper blood test.
But the hand metres are near enough to see what's going on. The NHS wouldn't supply them if they were too far out, and you can buy the same ones the NHS supplies from the chemist. |
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Blood glucose meters don't tell you that much, unless readings are compared following identical foods with identical times between foods and tests, oh, and how much liquid has been consumed.
As I said before - the HbA1c is the only one that counts. |
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When we met at the Dogs Study I was 12.5 stone... now 17!!
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