As of now I'm in the diabetes club

What are your fasting blood glucose readings?

Haven't you got a blood glucose metre ufcdan?

You need to take more of an interest before you wind up really fat and ill.

Look on the bright side, at least you now have an explanation for your listlessness, depression and erectile dysfunction.

Haven't you got a blood glucose metre ufcdan?

You need to take more of an interest before you wind up really fat and ill.


Just ill to go then

{{{hugs}}}

It's ok Dan. Baron told me you wouldn't get too excited so I should be safe

Here's the scale I'm more familiar with

Normal ...........3.9 - 5.5 mmol/L
Pre diabetic......5.5 - 6.9
diabetic ........ over 6.9.

The other scale widely used is normal = 100. Simply divide by 18 to give the previous scale.

The pre diabetic condition is claimed to be completely reversible. Also many cases of full diabetes.

It means maintaining a very strict dietary regime, it'll bring your blood pressure down with a bang as well.

Here's one of the doctors you need to listen to, check out all his videos on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8xa-9NScU

McDougall and his associates say the exact opposite of that Jonboy.

The Walter Kempner experiments and interview with Nathan Pritikin are genuine eye openers and life changers worth reading and watching dan you won't get this advice and information from your G.P.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/2013/12/31/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOj4rzSkqok

The best thing anyone can do is to get a blood glucose meter, they're cheap enough.

You should get one on the NHS if you're diabetic.
If not.
Here's one, there are lots of others about.

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/caresens-dual-blood-glucose-and-ketone-meter/

Try the McDougall diet, watch your readings drop, and your blood pressure, then come back and thank me and Denzil for showing you the way.

I'm diabetic, and work in a business where I hear about it all the time.
It used to be called "late onset diabetes" and has always been common. Much of the reason so many people have it now is because they never looked so hard for it before, except a wee on a stick, which was not always accurate.
It is also hereditary.
Recently, the NHS guidelines have changed and now many more people are being classified as "Pre-diabetic" as well as diabetic, because the numbers have changed.
What was NOT diabetic a few months ago, is now!!!!

The key to how actually diabetic you are is how much Metformin you are prescribed. 500mg a day (1 pill), for example means it may well be reversible with some common sense.
2000mg (2 tablets, twice a day) is one stage before an additional pill (eg, Alogliptin) which is just the last stage before Insulin.

Blood glucose meters are accurate, but are NOT a guide of diabetes, however they can be a method of control for concerned diabetics.
My GP and surgery keep issuing me with new ones every time they get talked into buying them by whichever pharmaceutical company has come up with the best new offer.

The money is made from the testing strips.

The best and most reliable test is the HbA1c, which is got from a blood test, usually every 3 or 6 months.
HbA1c is how much haemoglobin in the blood has become bonded to glucose.

Without doubt, losing weight reduces the severity of diabetic issues, and weight loss will almost certainly fend off the need for insulin in type2 diabetes.

Many other "age related" or even genetically pre-disposed conditions can and will be attributed to diabetes even if it isn't diabetes which caused them.
This is a worrying trend. A cynic might even say it saves the NHS a bit of spending.

According to an extremely clever and well qualified endocrinologist professor I once chatted with. 2 things:

"You either have diabetes or you don't"
and
don't get hooked up about the blood glucose or glucose tolerance readings "they're just numbers"

Finally, worth remembering is that sugar isn't the only sugar!
Carbohydrate becomes sugar in the blood. BUT also remember that we need carbohydrates to live (despite any Atkins followers saying otherwise).

It's just about being sensible and as with most of life; Everything in moderation.

Cheers studyform and I'll thank you now doc for taking time out

Would like to add the hereditary factor only occurs when people eat too much fat and foods which make you fat creating the lifestyle necessary to create the illness,often eating habits are inherited from family which would suggest a predisposition but that can only occur with the fattening lifestyle.

I'm afraid STUDYFORM's knowledge of the treatment for diabetes is entrenched in the conventional medical wisdom that protects our food industry and pharmaceuticals industry, and that is the problem.

I won't go so far as to say criminal but it's close.
That's if you think that pushing products that are known to make people ill isn't criminal.

And keeping them sick just to make profits for drug manufacturers isn't either.

STUDYFORM you say you are a diabetic 'late onset' your words as you didn't specify type 1 or 2.
You are taking drugs longterm for a curable illness by food and nothing else and you tell others to do some proper research that is your choice,but it's poor form giving someone looking for help advice that will lead them down the path you took which obviously is not curing your illness.

Low carb diet.

Crippen.
You mention so much that's wrong.....
It's hard to know what to dispel first.

Here are a very few.
McDougall isn't a quack by the way, he's a fully qualified medical doctor who practises in America.

So F'ing what? There haven't been qualified doctors in America quacking it about to sell books before, have there?

Greger edited a four-page spread in the Daily Mail about these methods earlier in the year. And a national newspaper is hardly likely to employ a quack.
McDougall himself once had his own television programme; he's been widely interviewed about his methods and is well known in medical circles.

The Daily Mail... Well that MUST be OK then. As for media not employing a quack - I give you Gillian McKeith.


There's a band of high profile qualified medical doctors in the States using the same methods, including, Barnard, Klaper, Greger, McDonald.
There's a BIGGER band who are not!!!!! Why not take notice of them?


What has to be worked on are the glucose receptors that are slowing or stopping the glucose from going in.
And the reason they're restricting the glucose, is because they're clogged with fat

No, It isn't.

People in India and China never used to suffer from diabetes like they do now.
People in India and China weren't being screened for it like they are now.

Diabetes is about how well (or in the case of type 1 -if at all) your pancreas produces insulin to offset the glucose in the blood.
That's not it at all. This needs explaining properly:

Your knowledge of the subject is entrenched in the shoite plonked by those with nothing better to do all over the internet.
The Atkins diet is NOT good. Very few GP's if any will advise embarking on it.
It isn't a conspiracy theory where the whole Medical profession is out to fool everyone except the few - like you, and it seems, Denzil - who have the inside track, the "real knowledge".

This is a small clip from the endocrineweb site I posted the link for earlier.

Development of type 2 diabetes seems to be multi-factorial; that is, there are a number of issues to blame. Genetic predisposition seems to be the strongest factor. Obesity and high caloric intake seem to be another. Twenty percent of people with this type 2 diabetes have antibodies to their islet cells which are detectable in their blood resulting in the expected low levels of insulin, suggesting the possibility of incomplete islet cell destruction (see discussion about autoimmune diabetes in the type 1 diabetes section). These patients often tend to respond early to oral drugs to lower blood sugar but may need insulin at some point.

You cannot - as you do all the time, just decide that everyone can be cured of every ailment with stupid (or not) diets and not taking pills.

As with just about every topic, crippen, you are about 90% wrong.

Even more wrong (100%) is Denzil's assertion that late onset type 2 diabetes can be "Cured" by diet. This is simply ENTIRELY WRONG. Some of the pre-diabetes diagnoses, which are, as I said, handed out too freely, can be reversed with a bit of weight loss.
But unless you're a magician or have stumbled upon something medical science hasn't. The is no actual cure for diabetes.
It's not a new disease, and is a slow and silent killer.

I HAVE NOW WRITTEN 3 VERY LONG AND CONCISE, FACTUAL POSTS ABOUT IT AND POSTED 4 LINKS - THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DEBATE - I AM NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT SOME CONSPIRACY THEORISTS OR QUACKS WITH BOOKS TO SELL SAY OR THINK. IF THIS IS TO MY DETRIMENT (I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT IS), THEN SO BE IT.

Lets.
No apostrophe in lets.

STUDYFORM for what it's worth I currently eat about 500-600g of sugar in various forms every day do you think I'll get type 2 soon?