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Reynard
08 Oct 18 19:07
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Sir Craig Mackey heads the law enforcement agency that is tasked with protecting the public yet freely admits that he was quite content to sit in his car with the doors locked whilst observing the barbaric slaughter of one of his junior serving officers on Westminster Bridge cos he 'didn't have the correct PPE' .
Isn't it comforting to know that the new motto of the Metropolitan Police Force is 'Look after number one' Sad

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By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Oct 18 19:47
PPE, Personal protective equipment.

Career copper. That's where the money goes.

Big salary, big pension, early retirement, knighthood.
Keeps his nose clean and never sticks his neck out under any circumstances.

Paid to drink tea.
By:
Escapee
When: 08 Oct 18 21:44
It's reassuring to know there's people like you two who are up for risking your lives in the white hot heat of what must be
indescribably intense and confusing moment for anyone seeing it as it unfolds.

The chap in question is probably a desk jockey, not trained for action.

I'm not sure how I'd react, But glad to know by the tone of your scolds that you'd jump straight in.

Thanks for being such upright all round good eggs.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Oct 18 22:14
Neither said they would have done anything different but I think most people would expect their bosses to react in some fashion in dangerous circumstances.
By:
saddo
When: 08 Oct 18 22:22
A coward in Braid?
By:
Reynard
When: 08 Oct 18 22:37
Escapee - I spent a fair percentage of my working life staring down a gun barrel (literally!) so your assumption is incorrect , although it was part of everyday life in my chosen occupation so I didn't really have a 'choice' .
But with regard to this individual surely 'protection of a fellow copper' is part of his job description . He may not have saved the life of PC Palmer , but surely to do nothing was the act of a coward . Fortunately Masood was shot dead moments later but what if he'd gone on to kill or injure further members of the public that Mackey is supposed to protect ? Casualties that he could have and should have prevented even if it meant putting himself in danger . You never hear a firefighter shrug his shoulders as he looks at a blazing building and claim that there is no point going in cos there isn't much chance of saving the occupants . No , this sniveling piece of dirt preferred to lock the doors , drive off and "co-ordinate the response" from a safe distance .
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 08 Oct 18 22:40
I would have got out, couldn't have lived with the shame of hiding, I would have thought that would have been his instinct anyway after so many years of service.
By:
Reynard
When: 08 Oct 18 22:55
Depends how you define 'service' ! Blush
By:
themightymac
When: 08 Oct 18 22:57
I would like to think that we all would have dived in to help the constable but one just doesn`t know how one would react in a spur of a moment.

In his testament, he said that he was getting out his car to assist and the constable shut his car door and shouted at him to get away.

I still would like to think that I would have got out, like the most of us would hope, but that part of his statement changes the scenario, slightly.
By:
Reynard
When: 08 Oct 18 23:26
His statement ................
Can't believe a word , the only thing they know how to do is lie Mischief
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 08 Oct 18 23:41
3 men v 1 man with a knife, I would had fancied their chances.
By:
Reynard
When: 08 Oct 18 23:48
There are plenty of examples of ordinary members of the public standing up to armed terrorists in London . Notably an unarmed man in the doorway of a restaurant at London Bridge .
Why is it down to the ordinary British public to set an example to the so-called law enforcement officers ?
By:
themightymac
When: 08 Oct 18 23:53
True Reynard, but in similar scenarios 95% of the public leg it. Survival is a basic instinct.
By:
themightymac
When: 09 Oct 18 00:01
John Smeaton a true hero. Got stuck in, no hesitation. If you hesitate, you are beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngh-Cxrd_U
By:
trilby22
When: 09 Oct 18 00:59
Why did he not simply run the coont over with his car?
By:
Reynard
When: 09 Oct 18 01:04
trilby22 • October 9, 2018 12:59 AM BST
Why did he not simply run the coont over with his car?

Now where have we heard that before ? Mischief
By:
themightymac
When: 09 Oct 18 02:45
That Trilby, is a great question.
By:
trilby22
When: 09 Oct 18 03:27
I have no idea Rey but it's the first thing that popped into my head when I heard the story last night.

We need to know the full story and circumstances but I like to think that is exactly what I would have done.  There may well have been barriers in the way but surely he could at least have created some distraction?

One of his own men - as well as the public - was being attacked and he decided to watch / drive away?  No way!
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Oct 18 10:31
The world war one officers at least had the balls to lead the charge. But they had the appropriate personal protection equipment.

You wouldn't want to face a wall of german machine guns without a stick!
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Oct 18 10:33
"There are plenty of examples of ordinary members of the public standing up to armed terrorists in London."

Not just British guys either, one of the guys killed by those knife attackers was a Spanish guy who got stuck in to save a woman being attacked, hitting him with a skateboard.
By:
Reynard
When: 09 Oct 18 10:35
As a child I respected the old bill . I have now grown to loathe them Plain
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Oct 18 10:51
Nowadays they are politicised. Not investgating real crimes, chasing low hanging fruit to hit decent people to meet performance figures, chasing people for made up "hate crimes", or because they cracked a bad joke or said something that offends a pathetic snowflake on Twitter. Turning victims into criminals and letting real criminals off. There was that rubbish the other day about removing any tolerance for breaking the speed limit for example, which sounds like another performance target booster and money making scheme. It's like they are trying to make us lose faith in them.
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Oct 18 11:05
Maybe they could do a version of "Wur Sweeney" for 2018 where Yorkshires finest kick the door down of some societal menace who has deliberately used the wrong transgender pronoun when arguing with "CheckUrPrivilege96" on facebook, and offended them.
By:
trilby22
When: 09 Oct 18 14:34
Has anyone seen / heard anything about this on the Beeb yet?

There's nothing on their website's front page and I didn't hear anything about it on Today - though I didn't hear all of it.

LBC ran with it all night, from at least 7pm till that Nolan bloke Crazy
By:
Injera
When: 09 Oct 18 15:02
Should have ignored the junior officer's advice to stay safe, got out of the car and got stuck in.

How important does he think he is??
By:
moisok
When: 09 Oct 18 15:15
plod too busy behind the computer looking for any one being offensive - and listing crimes they can't be bothered to come out to

you couldn't make it up

but they have plenty of 'ENGAGEMENT'  officers - do you know what these are by the way?

I love this bit

"Our Constabulary digital presence has seen huge growth over recent years, so we need to be alive to the fact that many members of the public prefer to engage with us using social media rather than the more traditional methods.

"So, while the traditional methods will still be used, it is hoped that by giving the Community Engagement Officers access to social media platforms this will help enrich relationships with local residents.”

good excuse to remain behind a computer on a rainy day in Landan
By:
lovegod
When: 09 Oct 18 15:34
Are these 'engagement' officers arranging partnerships for the LGBTQ community?
By:
moisok
When: 09 Oct 18 15:46
They had better be, or I will be on them like a ton of bricks. They could send a nice young officer or two round to my place for afternoon 'tea'   nudge nudge!
By:
minardi
When: 09 Oct 18 15:47
He's also retiring latter on this year at the age of 57 ... so we will be paying him an indexed link pension for 30 years. It's only right that he retires as sitting in a car and attending shirt sleeves meetings is a big ask of someone so old.
By:
moisok
When: 09 Oct 18 15:48
The beauty of these special interest groups and their organisations is you are virtually untouchable as the authorities ared are so scared of causing a fence. The politicians all want their votes.

I wouldn't mind if they touched me sometimes though ho ho
By:
Slicer
When: 09 Oct 18 15:49
If he had run the murderer over he would of got sued by the family of the perp. Guardian reading human rights lawyers would of flocked in to get the job!! btw- went to a Neighbourhood Watch meeting a couple of weeks ago where reps of certain organisations in the know about policing gave a few talks. Absolutely sh*t scaring. Apparently there are already private security firms raking it in in the area and certain vigilantie groups are being considered. One policeman on the beat in 4 square miles!
By:
moisok
When: 09 Oct 18 15:52
I can smell money and prophet here!!
By:
moisok
When: 09 Oct 18 15:53
I believe our honoured shadow home secretary has been on about this subject of beat!!!
By:
dambuster
When: 09 Oct 18 17:53
As long as the police continue to employ people because of there, race, religion, gender, politics, and handwringing left wing outlook, it'll get worse..The days employing 6 feet plus intimidating looking blokes who use decency and common sense as coppers have a gone..
But it'll only go so far, soon , the hardworking law abiding man on the street will have had enough, they will take the law into there own hands and win the fight that the cowards in uniform have lost...
Where i live, Theres more chance of seeing a UFO land than a copper on the beat..
By:
Injera
When: 09 Oct 18 18:17
We don't need Plod on the beat. We need to take responsibility for our own behaviour and our own communities.

Fairly simple. The reason crime is not committed is because most people know it's wrong to do so.
By:
11kv
When: 09 Oct 18 20:10
Should have got out of his car and got the wheel brace out the boot and battered the c**t,**** g coward.
By:
Just Checking
When: 09 Oct 18 20:17
"Should have got out of his car and got the wheel brace out the boot and battered the c**t"

No, he should have got the spare out and hit him with it until he was tyred.

Wink
By:
Reynard
When: 09 Oct 18 20:42
lovegod • October 9, 2018 3:34 PM BST
Are these 'engagement' officers arranging partnerships for the LGBTQ community?

Oh the irony Laugh
By:
moisok
When: 09 Oct 18 20:50
it is particularly in Landan - you want to check out their boss too
By:
ufcdan
When: 09 Oct 18 21:03
Bit like the armed guard outside the Florida school shooting who didn't go in, but unless your there I suppose. I like many on here would hope to show some courage. For me the shame of doing nothing would be unbearable.
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