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Senior MET officer leads by example ...........
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The blame doesn't lie with the desk jockey looking to leave his meeting. This happened very quickly. It lies with the complete naivety of a security operation that left 2 unarmed officers at the gates of the most likely target in the country, with nothing more than a stab vest.
They're actually lucky this was a lone wolf, lacking the capacity of the myriad of firearm attacks we've seen across the globe. The country needs to show some strength. Fantastic that we all show pluck and resolution, but wake up to the threat with some practical solutions. |
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If there was an organised attack on the House of Commons on the scale of the Mumbai hotel attack a few years ago I doubt very much if two unarmed bobbies on the main gate would be sufficient protection
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You can't be seen tooling up against a threat which you are pretending 'will not change the way we live'.
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Now that's an interesting angle
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That's a good point saddo.
Mind you all the barriers, bollards walls etc that have been built to guard points of interest are a give away. |
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I think the criticism of this senior officer in his late 50's is totally out of order. As an experienced officer having walked the walk in the past,(you used to have to earn your "stripes" so to speak before you moved up the ladder, or in other words, learn to walk before you ran)...... i.e. done his time on the streets as a pc, he will know, as the line from the Kenny Rogers song goes....you gotta know when to hold em...know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run....... Meaning you make an instantaneous assessment of any situation/incident, and decide whether to act immediately or hang back and call and wait for back up.
My question would be, why in the current climate is a very senior met police officer being driven around London by unarmed civilians?! If anyone in their late 50's(or younger for that matter), and with not even a truncheon on them, thinks they would have a chance against a much bigger man with a knife in both hands......then dream on and continue with your armchair fantasies/morality. He would have just committed suicide.....simple as......and his family would have only been able to console themselves with reports of what a hero he was and how much he loved the job.......a bit like the parents of our fallen soldiers lately, who can only find comfort in the belief that their son/daughter lost their life for a worthwhile cause and loved what they were doing. Instead, he and his family are trying to come to terms with him being wrongly labelled as a coward......imo of course...... |
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Remove Mackey and his Common Purpose comrades .
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Now that is a separate issue ......
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That is a very good post Layemall.
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Thanks Acey.....is just my opinion, which is based partly on personal experience......
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I agree , it is a very well written post and layemall clearly speaks from a position of experience within this specific institution , and probably a far more informed opinion than mine or anyone elses for that matter . However , at a time when there is talk of the police 'losing the streets' with knife crime , acid attacks and moped crime rife , not to mention the continued threat posed by terrorists in our midst , this has more to do with public perception and the public , it would appear , deem Mackey's action/lack of action as cowardice .
At a time where many people live in greater fear than they have ever done before , with the exception of times of war , they are presented with an example of a leading figure in the force whose duty is to 'serve and protect' who chooses to abandon a fellow officer . There are countless examples of serving police officers , some 'off-duty' , who have lost their lives in attempting to apprehend dangerous armed assailants who posed a real and present danger to law-abiding citizens (layemall may even have known such a brave individual) . I'm sorry if it offends anyone but I'll stand by my original opinion . (sir) Craig Mackey is a coward  |
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This government expects the public to believe the rubbish they spout about there being no correlation between the number of coppers walking the streets and the level of crime.....it is absolute tosh imo.......and I truly don't think that the public believe it either.
Just take a simple example that most of us have experienced...........you are walking home from the pub late at night on your own......and half a dozen pissed up blokes are walking your way on the same side of the pavement.....then you notice a copper on the other side of the street say maybe 50 yards away.....or you don't.....2 totally different scenarios.....with possibly 2 different outcomes. There will be some who want to vent their anger at this officer for his lack of action, but I think the public are clued up enough not to see him as a scapegoat for the lack of police that they see(or don't) on the streets. |
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3 men in the car? Which way did they drive?
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When did it become illegal to be pissed and walking along the road?
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Why would anybody expect a policeman to confront them?
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use your imagination......didn't think I had to fill in all the blanks!!
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or mirror a painting by numbers explanation!
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A group of guys walking home drunk, what action do you want the police to take?
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same reply to you
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If I am walking down the road and 6 boisterous drunks are approaching me, which happens regularly, what`s the problem with that?
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".with possibly 2 different outcomes".......there's your clue
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We were all young once. As long as they are not bothering passing individuals - verbally or physically - what is the problem?
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I was never any good at 3-2-1
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I wouldn't expect the police to do anything. Why would they?
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I'm struggling too see the point you are trying to make?
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hmmmmmmm.....point is......they are........with 2 possible outcomes at least......the more advanced book....counting down from 10 not 3
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I'm struggling too see the point you are trying to make?
To be fair I think you're struggling to see the point as well  |
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I fully understand the point that is being made and concur that there are 2 possible outcomes :-
a) . They are happy drunks and it may require a minor adjustment of step in order to negotiate their lack of coordination and sense of direction , but in the event of a minor bump the least inebriated of their number will slur an apology in your general direction and all parties shall continue on their way ...... b) . They are nasty drunks and observing a sole pedestrian decide to become aggressive . Completely outnumbered and unarmed you look across the road and observe a police officer and a wave of relief sweeps over you . You then look a little closer and realise that the officer is none other than Sir Craig Mackey who is instantly recognisable from various newspaper items following the inquest into the Westminster Bridge attacks . At the same time your heart sinks as you make eye contact with the now demoted PC Mackey and , as the ringleader lands his first blow to the side of your head , you can see the officer turn on his heels to make his escape . A further series of blows reign in from his fellow thugs and as you go to ground you see PC Mackey disappearing over the park railings and into the darkness ............... I wish to make it clear that scenario b) would never have entered my furtive imagination a week ago  |
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I like that explanation, albeit b) makes an assumption that may or may not be true....as the scenario wasn't a bloke running up the street towards you with a knife in each hand!........ but it.may help others to paint a picture in their mind and grasp the point being made......on the other hand........
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This forum just gets funnier and funnier.What about you look over and see someone like Geoff Capes in his heyday. Or on the other hand it could be Bill who used to be Sally before the op. |
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layemall • October 13, 2018 11:05 PM BST
b) makes an assumption that may or may not be true Which assumption is that , Pray tell ?  |
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ummmmmmmmm.....let me think.........oh yes..........that he runs away.....
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akabula........very good point.......a modern day example and one from the distant past though!!
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.... and number two is the copper aka
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We should have a law that forbids drunks to walk home with any more than 1 other drunk.
That would solve layemalls problem. We could maybe have exceptions for triplets and Siamese twins would only count as one. |
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I think "intellectually challenged" is the politically correct term that would describe you......
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A police officer running away is not something that would have readily come to mind until very recently . Now I'm not so sure . This seems to have given any copper the green light to flee the scene of an assault and make up some story at a later date as to why he chose to take evasive action (No PPE , H&S , Risk Assessment or any other weak , politically correct bullsh1t) .
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or.....you just don't venture out into the real world enough!!
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How about "I decided not to challenge the knife weilding assailant cos I was fearful of offending him . I was about to order him to 'drop your weapon sir' but then it occurred to me that if the knifeman identified as a woman then I could find myself the subject of an investigation" .
Sound a bit far-fetched to you ? Suddenly it seems like a real possibility ! |
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used to think police had something about them
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