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there we have a straight answer from anxious ,
now of course he like pineapple and Eboue will be happy to accuse other people and other parties of racism, well they can only be what they are, hypocrites |
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no answer as yet from pineapple
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Would I consider voting Labour under Corbyn?
I suppose the honest answer would be that it depends how bad the other parties are. If you offer me a perfect party with great and fair policies and whose leader and members are flawless then I'd probably vote for them instead. But to be honest, while the allegations of anti-semitism are certainly distasteful I'm not sure that would be enough to make me vote for a party that is revelling in creating a hostile environment that is seeing innocent black Britons being locked up and threatened with deportation. Voting for a PM who authorised vans to be driven on our streets telling immigrants to go home. So yeah, show me a party that matches my own attitudes towards racism and general social fairness and they'd probably go a long way to getting my vote. Sadly, it's often a case of voting for the least bad option nowadays. |
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Obfuscation,hypocrisy, and auntie semitism, with a touch of all trans lists for safe seats,
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That ok pineapple , just don't accuse others of not caring about racism or how people are treated
We know that you are quite prepared to turn a blind eye to the racism in the labour party under corbyns leadership, and would be prepared to vote for that party possibly putting that party into power |
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Now I don't think any decent person, anyone who cares about other people and how they are treated and about racism could vote for a leader of a party like that
but then again these are the same types who accuse Amber Rudd and others of racism well they can only be what they are in fact, hypocrites when these types start to preach something within me starts to laugh |
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oh my god. You are actually giving doc a run for his money in the thickest forumite race.
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perhaps Eboue will come on later to tell us how he will vote and if he thinks Corbyn should be sacked
Lets see.. |
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may answers questions about windrush by mentioning illegal immigrants
rudd says she will speed up the granting of british citizenship to people who are already british citizens staggering |
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The Home Office have excelled themselves with this one.
1) They try to deport UK citizens who have worked and paid tax for decades 2) Meanwhile they let in illegals and known criminals who reoffend here 3) They rarely deport 2) and now Boris has called for an amnesty for illegals!!!!!!! Is ANYONE in the Home Office/Foreign Office/Parliament ever gonna put the UK's interests first???? |
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i really dont get the connection between windrush and illegal immigration
is it a comfort blanket to tories to mention illegal immigrants? |
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Its because many of the Windrush generation are NOT British in law, its a very technical issue which those involved in are not wanting to say in case they are called racist
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They were British subjects, not British citizens
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but they are not illegal immigrants
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no, but strangely technically that does not necessarily mean they have the right to stay in Britain, it is very complex
And indeed Irish people in Britain would be equally complex, perhaps moreso, if they had been subject to some of the changes over the immigration rules over the last decades that they should have been subject to, imo |
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It is possible to not be an illegal immigrant, but also not to have the right in law to stay in Britain :)
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but they are not illegal immigrants
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look at it this way If Irish citizens lost the automatic right to live and work in Britain and only those who had british citizenship could do so
Who would be allowed to stay, and continue to come to Britain Now they would not be illegal immigrants, but many would not have the rights of british citizens to live and work in britain |
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It would be the devil of a job to get some idea, or even how to proceed
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indeed I think some Irish people are citizens, some are strangely still subjects, and some are British and some are Irish
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This is the same thing with the windrush generation, although there are technical differences again , its complex
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but they are not illegal immigrants
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Although difficult to implement nevertheless it is the correct policy and the government should continue with it
Should they go further? yes imo the law should be changed and citizens of the Irish Rep should lose the automatic right to live and work in Britain Especially considering the surly, to put it mildly , attitude of Ireland and indeed very many Irish people to Britain and British people They cant have it every which way, they wanted independence , or so they keep claiming |
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but they are not illegal immigrants
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How do you know?
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The UK withdrew from the commonwealth free movement area in 1962 and finished the job in 1968
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what are the numbers and who has been deported wrongly
that is something that no one seems to know, perhaps none? |
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but they are not illegal immigrants
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I suppose what we will find is that in the end it comes down to incompetence and overzealous in the home office and civil service by those on the ground and behind the desk trying to achieve certain targets,
and not caring too much who becomes hurt or wrongly accused or even just genuine mistakes, so yes there will be a few who were legally here who have been accused of being illegal and who were not illegal that is the nature of things when you deal with the civil service in modern Britain, I know that they can even withhold information that can cost an individual large sums of money, hoping to get that problem sorted and ticked that is true from experience, you have to listen very carefully to what the civil service say, if they think you don't know something and you don't you will miss how they can tell half truths, I know, luckily they can slip up if you listen closely and know something they think you don't that is how it is, I can assure you |
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I must admit I was shocked to discover that that is how people, just doing average everyday jobs in the civil service in Britain behave today
If you are so naïve they will take advantage and get their quotas and money regardless, I know from experience |
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Only one particular guy I spoke to slipped up, prior I had only spoken to his boss and she was the one telling part of the information, only part,
and then that would have cost myself money, but something was said by the other guy that made me suspicious I wasn't being told everything and I wasn't, that's how they work, at least sometimes |
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So I strongly suspect that is the sort of thing that has been going on here
I am quite certain of it |
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They are not so silly in the civil service to tell lies, they tell half truths and don't tell you important parts of the information
That is what they do, and you would be surprised it is not just at the high levels, but the ordinary staff and managment |
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Theresa May as home secretary removed 50k students from UK in 2012. Many of them fled to rest of Europe as refugees. I talked to a few of them here in Germany. I see that its under May's govt that this thing has come up. I don't know if she is on some secret mission to oust certain types of people and bring in some other types.
Lfc's last message is very accurate(can't believe I am saying this). The civil servants in such departments can make any rule they like. And they do. A lawyer told me once that the civil servants have the right to do anything, provided they do it the right way. For instance, you apply for a visa and the answer you get is 'We are sorry to inform you that your visa cannot be extended' etc. They have the right to say this and its not against the law, even when they don't give a reason. However, once the applicant appeals against this decision, the whole game changes as the court becomes involved. Now the civil servant needs a valid legal reason to reject the visa. In most cases they can't. And the applicant wins. This is how immigration lawyers make their money too. It is quite possible that the govt was doing this for some years and hoped no one would notice. Now that its in the limelight, they have to do the cleanup. |
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Illegals have to go and the borders have to be closed for new citizens.
Allow temporary work permits. But the Windrush folks were invited here and are British. How Rudd's department has treated them is a national disgrace and is a big set back in the fight against real illegals. She has to go. |
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many students were deported, or left
the government recently lost a court case, another one ! and seemingly the 40 thousand may well be in line for compo as the evidence was somewhat questionable, and when questioned in court, failed to stand up of course the government say they may appeal ..... |
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nothing to do with illegal immigrants
its just like folk cant come down on side of windrush without mentioning illegal immigrants, shocking |
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https://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/theresa-may-wrongly-deported-48000-students-after-bbc-panorama-exposes-toeic-scam-a6958286.html
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The Home Office and Downing Street were told in 2016 about problems faced by the Windrush generation,
the BBC understands. They were alerted after the Barbados government raised concerns with the Foreign Office, BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said. Labour has urged Home Secretary Amber Rudd to quit over the Windrush saga. Ms Rudd told MPs she "bitterly" regretted not recognising the "systemic" problem sooner. |