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In April 2016, the then Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond - who is now the
chancellor - was told by Caribbean ministers about immigrants facing deportation despite having lived in the UK for most of their lives, and the BBC understands a report about their concerns was passed to the Home Office, which was led at the time by Mrs May. |
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Understands? So nothing factual Donny.
Has anybody come up with the numbers involved? |
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https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2018/04/24/primer-minister-apologises-to-windrush-gran-brought-up-in-telford/
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give it time akabula
another day closer to the whole truth |
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important to remember that 10 days ago the gov thought this issue was sufficiently trivial that they thought fine to reject Caribbean diplomats' request for meeting
10 days on suddenly the Home Secretary keeps saying how upsetting she finds these stories. Odd. from twitter |
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Twitter you say. Must be right then.
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donny osmond nothing to do with illegal immigrants Of course it has Donny. Some of the Windrush generation caught up in the campaign to rid ourselves of illegal immigrants. Caught up because they didn't have the appropriate paperwork. Who's fault was that is an important question. |
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another non windrush caught up in the clampdown....
A father denied a passport after being unable to prove he is a British citizen has said time is running out to take his family on their first trip abroad. John Ingram, 39, was born in Germany while his parents were serving in the RAF. The father of two, living in St Athan, Vale of Glamorgan, said his birth certificate was rejected when he tried to get a passport for a trip to Spain. The Home Office has been asked to comment. Mr Ingram told BBC Wales he was born in a British military hospital in 1979 where his parents were serving and only spent two months in Germany. He has lived in the UK ever since and has never held a passport. But when he tried to apply to get one, the Home Office rejected his birth certificate as proof of identity as it was issued by the British Consulate. 'It's really upsetting' He now faces being unable to go on the booked trip to Spain in June with his five-year-old son and daughter, eight, and partner Danielle, unless he can find more documents which prove his nationality. "My daughter keeps asking if daddy is coming on holiday with us," he told BBC Wales. "Even though I worked all my life, paying NI and tax, both my parents are British, I have been here for nearly 40 years, and I still have to try to prove I'm British. "It is really upsetting, it would be our first holiday abroad. I know they tell you not to book before you have got your passport, but I didn't expect this." His story comes amid the Windrush scandal, where some immigrants who came to the UK from the Commonwealth decades ago have been threatened with deportation or refused jobs or healthcare. 'How do you prove it?' Mr Ingram said that the Home Office had wanted a German birth certificate as proof of his identity. But as he was born in a British military hospital he said "it doesn't exist, because I am not German". "They keep moving the goal posts, they keep saying whatever I give them is not good enough," he said. Mr Ingram said he had contacted his MP and had complained to the Home Office about the way his case was being treated, which has since been escalated. But with the holiday approaching in June he says he is running out of time to get the situation resolved. "It cost us a lot of money and she [Danielle] doesn't want to go unless we can all go together, but how do you prove you are British?," he said. |
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windrush are not illegal immigrants
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What we must not do as a nation is to allow the radical left to use this mistake by Amber Rudd as an excuse to allow all illegals to stay.
Now stories are coming out of people who have lived here for two years on a visa getting deported after the 2 year visa runs out being called unfair because they have a UK partner. Why is that sort of thing unfair and what has it got to do with Windrush? |
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Look Donny if the government want to deport illegal immigrants
and they want the civil service to find and deport illegal immigrants How is it the governments fault if the civil service deport people who are not illegal immigrants ( if that is what they are doing) now grow up |
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look at where the problems lie, with the people doing the work involved in these cases and if mistakes have been made fix them
there is no point making something more out of this than there is |
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So it's enough for them to just have a one line policy and have no thought on how it will be implemented, the effect on the wider community, the balance of evidence needed to incarcerate someone while they're being investigated?
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fine if there are mistakes in policy that is the governments responsibility
as far as I know there are no mistakes in the policy the mistakes are in the implementation of that policy that is the responsibility of those tasked with implementing that policy, the people on the ground being paid to do that job |
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there are grey areas, for example a case of two brothers who came to Britain after the recognised date 1973 or whatever
their parents or one of them was already in Britain earlier, before that date but the law had changed saying only those whose parents had been born in Britain could come to Britain, their parents or parent had not so technically the two brothers had no right to be in Britain so that is an example of the sort of cases that we have |
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now Donny might come back and say but they are not illegal aliens
well yes and no... |
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So the responsibility begins and ends at the policy. Not in how it's implemented. No responsibility for the staff's actions?
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they are caught in in the difference between then and now, the way things were then and the many changes then and the fudges and grey areas then and the new regulations then and cut off dates then and the erratic and disperce movement of families then and now
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mistakes were always likely, the important thing is to the proper process and unfortunatedly as I explained earlier you cannot trust the british civil service
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They have people on their staff, at all levels, who are not competent and indeed care only about getting their quotas, yes that is the culture in the workplace today throughout all society, in the office and in the factories , everywhere
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it is pervasive in all parts of life, from the guy handing out parking tickets who has to fufill so many each day, to the person in the factory who might cut corners to meet targets, to the civil service staff and management who also have targets to meet to secure their own job or promotion etc and so it goes on
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So, surely then you'd agree that Corbyn bears no responsibility for some party members displaying anti-semitic sentiments?
He's been very clearly, on the record, stating he wants zero tolerance for anti-semitism. That's enough then isn't it. How the rest of the party has implemented this zero tolerance policy isn't down to him. |
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they are working to keep their job, they are not working to do their job or fulfil a service
not any more the pressure is too great, people are too afraid of losing their job that's modern Britain |
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pineapple I don't trust Corbyn, because he is intellectually and morally dishonest
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I knew what it was like in factories, I knew how that had changed
I didn't know or think it was like that also in the civil service until I had personal experience, I was shocked |
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I'll take that as you agreeing with me then.
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windrush have been reporting problems for months or years even
this government have been very slow to accept their fault in all of this simply prolonging the injustice whilst apologising isnt a good polocy |
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standard reply seems to mention illegal immigrants when discussing these folk who came to
help rebuild this country, and to help build our health service. now they need the help they are entitled to they are told to prove their entitlement by a government that knows they couldnt prove it as the records are destroyed |
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Amber Rudd is facing fresh calls to quit as home secretary after it emerged officials were
set targets for the removal of illegal immigrants. On Wednesday Ms Rudd denied targets were used, when she faced MPs investigating the problems faced by the Windrush generation. But she admitted on Thursday to "local targets" for "internal" use but said she had not known about them. The Home Office is now scrapping them, the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg understands. The instruction to axe them is likely to be sent out from Immigration and Enforcement, a division of the Home Office, in the coming days. |
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Every time I think a tory minister is the most incompetent buffoon imaginable, another one crops up and asks me to hold his or her beer.
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They'll get more votes by publicising these targets imo.
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of course they will, thats what the go home vans were about
fighting for the ukip votes but of course decent folk are repulsed by this government |
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which of course is why the government ....
a/ tried to deny they existed yesterday, or proved their incompetance by really not knowing about their own targets b/ and is now going to scrap them |
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Lefties all seething here yet they don't know the facts.
![]() Question. How many of the Windrush generation have been deported? |
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Of those detained what %age of them had no papers?
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david lammy is attempting to get that info , well over 10 days hes been waiting
when government announce it , im sure you will know... meanwhile how many are using the helpline set up by government ? how many police were threatened to be deported by this windrush disgrace which member of government stepped in to stop their deportation? interesting stuff ! |