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By:
Platini
When: 27 Dec 17 19:57
LH is a career bellend but his only crime here was publicizing his private family business.

I've seen the video, he was playfully mocking his nephew (who laughs at his mock statements), nowhere near the "shaming" that the loonies are suggesting. What a disgusting weaponized word to use (one of their favs of course). Nobody really cares about little kids dressing up however they like. Thats not the point here.

Its the venomous response from the bubble-wrapped safe-spacers thats completely over the top. How dare LH (or anyone) suggest that boys and girls might be different, or that there might be only 2 distinct sexes. Such thoughts and notions do not fit the new agenda, and must be stamped on immediately.
By:
moisok
When: 27 Dec 17 20:20
The lie will continue, shouted out loud, until they get everything they want and you will not be able to say that anymore platini
By:
A_T
When: 27 Dec 17 20:28
one day maybe there will be no prejudice and bigotry. who will you guys turn your hatred on then?
By:
moisok
When: 27 Dec 17 20:37
I know at least one group who is full of prejudice and bigotry towards women, gays and bisexuals.  Do you think we should join them.
They have legal protection whilst still able to have this as their mantra.
By:
moisok
When: 27 Dec 17 20:40
their militant wing have an interest in car parks
By:
saddo
When: 27 Dec 17 20:57
A_T    27 Dec 17 21:28 
one day maybe there will be no prejudice and bigotry. who will you guys turn your hatred on then?


Another stock retort often used. If you disagree with or dislike something, you are a 'hater'.
By:
moisok
When: 27 Dec 17 21:06
Oh I don't know.  Siding with them might be a good idea. Given the influence they already have.
By:
Torquemada
When: 27 Dec 17 21:55
WTF were the parents thinking in getting the lad a princess costume?
By:
Torquemada
When: 27 Dec 17 22:00
If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"

The correct answer is:

"No, of course you can't, you're a boy. You can have a football kit."
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 06:54
and if a 5 year old girl asked for a football kit or a spiderman costume, what then?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 09:26
If a young girl is a bit of a tomboy , likes football and wearing the same sort of clothes as her young brother that's fine , very good even . There is something nice about that
It is not the same thing as a young boy wearing a princess dress
That is not fine , and is not the same thing in any way
One us good the other is not good , don't confuse one with the other
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 09:30
why is one good and the other not?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 09:33
Because it's nice when young girls don't care about being pretty
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 09:35
When they like to run around and play football or have fun playing in the garden and getting bumps and brushes and scrapes that's healthy
Boys dressing up as young girls is party dresses is not healthy
That's why
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 09:41
what do you mean by "healthy"? what's "unhealthy" about a little boy dressing up as a princess?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 09:47
ok , exercise is healthy , football is healthy , running around with friends playing football or messing around in the garden or on the river is healthy , getting a few bumps and bruises is healthy
It is good for children , this should be encouraged because it shows a natural disposition that is good for young boys and girls
In that way it is good to think of them not so much as human beings but as little dogs
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:05
You see when a young girl dresses as a tomboy it is generally to act as a tomboy and not to stand around worrying about how she looks , that is good , unlike standing around in a princess dress worrying about appearance and being pretty that is not good for girls or boys certainly not
By:
U.A.
When: 28 Dec 17 10:11
I would guess DStyle is more interested in your take on why it is unhealthy for boys to dress up as a princess rather than the healthy aspect of girls running around.
By:
U.A.
When: 28 Dec 17 10:12
oh you beat me to it.
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:19
ok so now I assume that you understand they are not the same thing
And that you shouldn't confuse one with the other , good
As regards it being healthy or unhealthy as I have explained
It is unhealthy for young boys and girls to to be concerned about appearance , I don't think it is healthy if a young boy is concerned if his shoes get dirty , or if he comes home from school with his jacket torn
I don't think a young boy , or a young girl should worry about those things , these things are natural
And good
By:
U.A.
When: 28 Dec 17 10:20
For what it is worth, from my experience when 5 year old girls dress up as princesses they tend not to stand around, and they definitely seem to worry about their appearance.
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 10:21
unlike standing around in a princess dress worrying about appearance and being pretty

how do you know that's the reason why the child chose to dress like a princess?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:26
I don't think it is anything more than the fact that young boys can be silly and mischievous ,
and perhaps it is not a case of worrying about appearance
Well that's good , as long as he plays football in it
By:
U.A.
When: 28 Dec 17 10:27
*don't seem. ... oops
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 10:32
let's say a five year boy has seen a film with a princess in it, who stands up to evil but is also compassionate and kind to her friends.

let's say he wants to dress up as a princess for these reasons.

is it "unhealthy" to allow him to do so, or is it unhealthy to prohibit him and tell him to go outside and play football or soldiers instead?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:39
no, I wouldn't want a young boy to dress up as mother Theresa either
By:
saddo
When: 28 Dec 17 10:40
Prohibit sounds rather severe. Gentle guidance about the differences between boys and girls clothing would seem a sensible approach. To tell children that there is no difference between genders would seem pretty ridiculous to most people I would think.
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:41
if a young boy loves his mother that is enough , he shouldn't worry about anything else
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 10:41
"no" is not an answer to my question.

you say you don't want boys dressing up as girls because it's unhealthy for children to be concerned about their looks and appearance.

I'm asking that if this isn't the reason they have chosen to do so, what's your objection?
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 10:44
To tell children that there is no difference between genders would seem pretty ridiculous to most people I would think.

Indeed it would, but I'm afraid that statement is a strawman.
By:
U.A.
When: 28 Dec 17 10:46
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"

The correct answer is:

"No, of course you can't, you're a boy. You can have a football kit.""

My query is how is it determined what the correct and incorrect answer is?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:49
let's put it this way , if the German , or Russian , or  British army go into battle wearing princess dresses to defeat evil that is fine
Then I might reconsider , but not before then
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 10:51
so you don't want to answer my question then.
By:
saddo
When: 28 Dec 17 10:51
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"

A sensible answer is:

" Girls become Princesses son, boys become Princes. Would you like a Prince's costume?
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:52
What is the correct answer ?
As long as it is a Liverpool kit it doesn't matter if it is a boy or girl who asks
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:52
To be honest it wouldn't matter what team it was
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 10:55
You see a football kit is not the same thing as a dress
When you understand that it will help you not make the analogy
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 11:05
I suppose if a young boy or girl wants to play football in a princess dress that is not totally to be frowned upon
It's better than not playing football
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Dec 17 11:12
"If any young lad asks "Mum, Dad, can I have a princess costume?"

A sensible answer is:

" Girls become Princesses son, boys become Princes. Would you like a Prince's costume?


"No, I watched Frozen and thought Elsa was brave and funny and stood up for what she believed in, and I want to be like that, so can I please have a princess costume"

Next question. A girl asks:

"Mum, Dad, can I have a batman costume because batman is strong and daring and fights crime?"

What's the answer. No - you can have a heavily sexualised batgirl costume instead?

As you all don't seem to understand:

Young children don't see gender in the same way that adults do. They see behaviour far more prominently. Historically, many stories have ascribed particular behavioural traits to their protagonists based on gender.

If you choose to restrict a child's choice of play characters based on gender we implicitly endorse
certain roles and character attributes according to gender. Boys - brave, strong, hardy, stoic. Girls - weak, defenseless, emotional. We teach our version of what we expect boys and girls to be based on narrow definitions - that somehow it's wrong for a boy to be weak or emotional or kind. 

So no, this isn't about telling boys and girls that there are no differences between the genders, there are and they will discover this, without any help from us, when the time comes. It's about allowing children to explore all types of different characters, emotions, behaviours and roles through play without restricting their choices based on gender.
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Dec 17 11:14
nonsense
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