does studyform and dave think it is the duty of Israel authorities to pull down muslim shrines in Jerusalem ,
or Saudi authorities to pull down muslim shrines in Saudi
or Indian authorities to pull down muslim shrines in India....

There have been examples though. Fred West's house was torn down, Bin Laden was buried at sea. Both times, they were done to stop ghouls, crackpots or other nutters having a focus for memorialising them.

As I've said, I'm against it personally. Liverpool has loads of famous buildings and streets directly linked to the slave trade and named after wealthy profiteers from that shameful business. There was talk a while back of whether these should be re-named. I think it's important not to tippex out the past. Of course we don't have racists flocking to Hope St in honour of when their tiny-penised forebears had supremacy. Whether I'd be so keen to keep the name if it was a trigger for racial violence and murder nowadays, well I'm not so sure.

do you think the muslims would have buried bin laden at sea.  no .

no there are many terrible things in todays world.
the statue to General Lee is not one of them
if people are more determined to settle the evils of today in many other parts of the world, as America has settled its troubled and also glorious history, the world will be a better place.

I thought you agreed studyform that the statue could remain, of course you may not agree with the political viewpoint of some who want it to stay, that's not the issue.
the issue is it is a war memorial, a war in which many good people were lost who have families alive today and who remember them
just as we do overslves with the two wars, and Germany also.
this is a memory that should be respected and honoured.
that is the issue imo

I don't like to see stautes torn down like they did in North Carolina. I do think some of the stautes in the South might be better served by being placed in a museum as somebody has suggested here.

I find it strange that there are so many apologists for red neck nazis though.

I never agreed at all - How can I put this more clearly than I have already?

I COULDN'T CARE LESS about the statue. I don't care if the statue (or any other statue) stays or goes, or gets knocked down or spontaneously combusts.
The statue doesn't matter.

I dont know how many times it can be explained.

I will try again.

The armed people who you use the racist slur 'bunch of armed rednecks' where the only people breaking up fights and protecting the medic areas for both side when the police stood down.

The people being violent were from both sides who were armed with pepper spray, urine, flame throwers, flag poles, clubs etc.

Have you watched any raw footage of the event?

1.01? what are you talking about? Is this a game to you?

I think it would be a very shameful thing to do, to take away that statue ,
That's only my opinion.

I would like to see if you can condemn without mentioning anyone else, a statue, legal rights, mosques, "what is the far-right" guff, or any other deflection, the actions of these people. Can you?
Or do you actually support them?

Is this your 1.01?

Of course I condemn the idiot who drove into the crowd of people. Anyone that punched anyone, kicked anyone, pepper sprayed anyone or did any harm to anyone.

Anyone who uses violence instead of words against someone who uses their right of free speech to say what they want is an idiot and should be arrested.

Violence is completely unacceptable.

TRY READING THIS PROPERLY I.T.

Forget the "sides" thing.
Do you think this gathering had any REAL purpose?
I believe it was a way to get some fear and hatred stirred and to publicise it - with the statue as an excuse.
Do you think there was any NEED for guns and combat gear and swastikas?
I don't
Do you think that me calling White supremacists "knuckle draggers" is racist and disgusting!?!?!?!?
I don't think it is. Sorry if it hurt your feelings.
Has it affected you that I could be so horrible about kindred spirits?
Looks like it.
Could you condemn WITHOUT mentioning anything else the actions of THESE people
Seems you can't, which is why; a, 1.01 landed and b, why you are arguing with so many people on here.

The 'event' was created by a conglomeration of "far right" groups. It wasn't ever intended to be a little get-together or they could have used a local church hall, or not since local seems to cover most of the USA. It was designed to garner opposition. Understandable opposition.
Understandable that so many people think it intolerable that such gatherings can be allowed and acceptable in the 21st century.
The 'event' is what need condemning. NOT the response. Doesn't matter that it was 'legal'.

YOU are finding it impossible to admit the 'event' shouldn't have happened. That it has no place in modern society.
That Far right groups are just plain wrong.
Free speech never has and never will be allowed. If you think it is OK for anyone to say anything anywhere anytime, try going into a school and saying Paedophillia is good. See what happens to your free speech does then.

You will not admit that these people are wrong, because you think they're OK.

should they have been carrying guns? no of course not, but it was legal and they may have felt it was necessary for their own peotection and it was safer.
The problem arise because of the counter demonstration by the leftists and the usual trouble makers.
There should have been no counter demonstration, and no violence.

what chemical weapons were used?

They attempted to stop a peaceful and legal march, and that is the reason for the violence.
It could have been much worse but for considerable restraint show by the legal procession.

TRY READING THIS PROPERLY I.T.

Forget the "sides" thing.
Do you think this gathering had any REAL purpose?
I believe it was a way to get some fear and hatred stirred and to publicise it - with the statue as an excuse.
Do you think there was any NEED for guns and combat gear and swastikas?
I don't
Do you think that me calling White supremacists "knuckle draggers" is racist and disgusting!?!?!?!?
I don't think it is. Sorry if it hurt your feelings.
Has it affected you that I could be so horrible about kindred spirits?
Looks like it.
Could you condemn WITHOUT mentioning anything else the actions of THESE people
Seems you can't, which is why; a, 1.01 landed and b, why you are arguing with so many people on here.

The 'event' was created by a conglomeration of "far right" groups. It wasn't ever intended to be a little get-together or they could have used a local church hall, or not since local seems to cover most of the USA. It was designed to garner opposition. Understandable opposition.
Understandable that so many people think it intolerable that such gatherings can be allowed and acceptable in the 21st century.
The 'event' is what need condemning. NOT the response. Doesn't matter that it was 'legal'.

YOU are finding it impossible to admit the 'event' shouldn't have happened. That it has no place in modern society.
That Far right groups are just plain wrong.
Free speech never has and never will be allowed. If you think it is OK for anyone to say anything anywhere anytime, try going into a school and saying Paedophillia is good. See what happens to your free speech does then.

You will not admit that these people are wrong, because you think they're OK.

No I thought you calling people 'rednecks' and PP calling people 'hillybillies' that were racist slurs on working class white people.

I dont agree with carrying rifles in public but it is legal in America. Black Lives Matter also have open carry people so I dont see it is a particular issue for this rally.

The idea a legal march with people expressing their freedom to speak should be condemned is dangerous.

What happens if some people object BLM protesting in another area?

Or somewhere else Muslims are not allowed to protest?

Or somewhere people protesting against Sharia Law are not allowed to protest?

We can selectively condemn protests just because we dont agree with the protest.

I am amazed that any type of racist slurs against minorities are (rightly) condemned and yet P-Pineapple thinks it is ok to make racist slurs against white people.

The double standards are sickening.


More than one example of his double standards, constantly harping back to 80 year old history, Nazis/swastikas, for point scoring purposes but then posts this...

...Holy sh!t. Attempting to point score that your party was better 150 years ago

Apparently any history prior to 1940 is irrelevant, we need to join him in 'burning those books'

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From Yesterday, by me, completely ignored:

Still. I'm quite sure you realise all of this, but feel in some way kind of smart in being so obtuse and clever in evading direct answers.
You really shouldn't.
People like you (thankfully there aren't as many as you'd like there to be) will never concede anything and will defend anything generally regarded as 'far right' however awful or wrong. You peddle your crap it's OK,

Do you, like so many on here read Breitbart or Daily Stormer?
Or any other neo-Nazi websites?
I'm guessing yes, others here do as well.

ONE LAST QUESTION>>>> PLEASE ANSWER JUST THIS ONE?
Taken from the Daily Stormer..... WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT?
It's about the woman who was killed by the car in Virginia:
Written by Andrew Anglin Aug 13th:
Heather Heyer, the woman killed in road-rage incident was a fat, childless 32 year old slut.
It gets worse after that.

This is the stuff the 'what I call' far-right (Neo Nazis, KKK, etc) say in the public domain?
Do these people think it's some kind of war? Is that why guns are needed?

Those comments are vile about the woman that was killed. I am not allowed to compare them to what some anti-Trump activists write due to your rules so I wont.

Why writing about Nazi sites and then suddenly slipping in Breitbart? Is that deliberate to make people think Breitbart is a Nazi website? Or a mistake?

Be serious. It was started a Jew. It employees people of multiple religions and races.

Name one article that shows it is a Nazi publication.

There is nothing wrong with being right wing or supporting a peaceful protest against the removal of the statue of general Lee