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Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
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was answering hamsterdam's point about not knowing kenisington had tower blocks
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A sort of metallic extrnal cladding seems to be the sort of thing those cheap modern hotels they throw up are covered in, I'm guessing with insulation.
Worrying! Next holiday I'm staying in B&Bs. Or on Facts couch, once he moves on those refugees. |
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Injera 14 Jun 17 17:57 The managing agent for the flats didn't HAVE to invest in sprinklers etc. It's arbitary for older buildings. Depends a lot how much money they were sitting on. I suspect they had a pile of cash in a reserve fund and residents wanted it spent but wasn't been. Injera, The managing agents don't " INVEST " anything into these flats. They don't own them, they " MANAGE " them and they take their " FEE "off every charge made to the Leaseholders! With regard to the cladding, I don't even want to go into polystyrene, I heard on LBC today the cladding was only put up to make the monstrosity of the building look better for the posh houses! and get this the Leaseholders would have had to pay for that! If this is wrong could someone kindly confirm because it is making my blood boil! |
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The cladding is 2 layers of aluminium sandwiching an insulation layer.
It's purpose is basically waterproofing albeit with the look of the building taken into account. No more or less what every builder/refurbisher hopes to achieve. |
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That area is basically Opposite Westfield it is in Between Latimer rd and Ladbroke 10 mins walk from Holland park Rd < I would not Describe it as North Kensington tbh ,There is a Further Estate Down the Road nearer to Holland Park/Sheps Bush
Edward woods Estate with 3 of these Daunting Tower Blocks  an area shared by Multi Millionaires and the Poverty Stricken ... |
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STUDYFORM 14 Jun 17 18:20
Jun 14, 2017 -- 12:11PM, Dr Crippen wrote: Ask Khan. It's happened on his watch, he's in charge.He's seems more interested in swapping insults with Trump than doing domestic stuff. Quite unbelievable!!!! Did Khan build the flats? Did Boris, come to that? Is there anything you won't try to make some sort of political point about? How the F can the mayor of London be in any way culpable? Even by YOUR standards that post is appalling, Crippen Theresa May’s new chief of staff was one of a series of housing ministers who “sat on” a report warning high-rise blocks like Grenfell Tower were vulnerable to fire for four years. A former Chief Fire Officer and secretary of a parliamentary group on fire safety today revealed successive ministers had had damning evidence on their desks since 2013 and nothing had happened.. Who wouldv'e gussed eh,not that surprising considering johnson got rid of 10 fire stations as well in london cuts,cuts.cuts... |
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You heard on LBC. From who? Some caller? So that makes it the truth? As I say above the description above was of a sheet of what sounded like unprotected polystyrene then a gap to stop damp then a cosmetic metal (aluminium) plate. If it was just the cosmetic metal to make "the rich" happy, I very much doubt any of this would have happened, it's the insulation (presumably for green/resident benefit reasons) that would have burned. But to me from what I've heard it seems a shocking design that shouldn't be used in a first world country.
It seems to be a no brainer from the description of how it's spread that it was the cladding, it all fits together. THe original design was apparently to have it fireproof between flats, and they've gone and wrapped the block in a flammable material! I'm not defending the cladding, it sounds like this is shockingly dangerous design mixed with incompetence and disrespect for the residents, but the sad knee jerk politicisation and "rich bashing" on tv and above is as sad as the "banker bashing" you used to get on every single question time for 5 years solid. |
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Seen these fires in those modern buildings in Dubai look crazy on the outside but everyone usually gets out via the 'inner' part of the building stairwell etc. What isn't explained here is why the inner of the building looks to have been engulfed as well? Staying in your flat waiting for the fire service seems to be duff advise for buildings which have this cladding.
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I have read reports that the fire may have been started by a fridge freezer and that makes sense.
There have been numerous fires over the last years caused by fridge freezers, washing machines and tumble dryers. Some were due to a fault by Beko fridge freezers and I had to ring up and check that my fridge freezer was not among the defective ones. But since then I have taken no chances and keep the door to the kitchen, the living room door and my bedroom door shut at night and when i go out. I have an alarm in the kitchen and in the hallway so I feel pretty safe, maybe. Again my fire notices say to stay in the flat until told otherwise. Do you remember the fire safety adverts of yesteryear that said get out and stay out? |
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Saw the guy from the 4th floor talking on tv, about how his neighbours fridge cought fire. TBH he looked and sounded like a BullSh*ter... IMO.
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caught*
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I heard on LBC that a caller said the cadding may have been put on the building to make it look better for the surrounding private home. That doesn't make it the truth but it doesn't make it a lie either.
The building is a 1970's concrete monstrosity. I am not sure if it is a "Brutalist Building" or not. I gather it was ugly. Why would you put aluminium cladding with polystyrene on wooden battens? If it was just the cosmetic metal to make "the rich" happy, I very much doubt any of this would have happened Just Checking, It would appear you know as much as me..F All! I'm not defending the cladding, it sounds like this is shockingly dangerous design mixed with incompetence and disrespect for the residents, but the sad knee jerk politicisation and "rich bashing" on tv and above is as sad as the "banker bashing" you used to get on every single question time for 5 years solid. Although I deduce from your comments you less than F. All! It is not the fault of people in nearby houses. Nobody has said they are at fault. This is a tradgedy that could and should have been avoided. Do you know you cannot use step ladders on a building site unless you get an expemption that is rarer than rocking horse sheite. Concerns were raised by the residents and who answered those concerns? |
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but the sad knee jerk politicisation and "rich bashing" on tv and above is as sad as the "banker bashing" you used to get on every single question time for 5 years solid.
Very sad indeed. I am sorry for the Bankers too! |
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375 billion banks bail out , its dreadful for them isnt it
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Spiv Culture exsposed for what it is
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For what anxious?
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Infact I'm not having it.
It is not Banker Bashing. It is poor bashing! They are the ones who suffered and lost everything but I have to say. I am very sorry for the Bankers! This is poltical and yes it is disrespectful to be talking about this before those people have been grieved for but this is a prime example of the needs of the few not the many and I for one am not having it anymore! |
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It values money far more than it values human beings
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Jeremy done okay for himself anxious.
His career has given him a lovely home. Is he part of the spiv culture? |
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Akabula you believe what you want , the truth is out there everybody can see it
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So if Jeremy aint wheres the cut off?
Years ago when applying for a job I was asked what's more important in business the people or profit? How would you reply anxious? |
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Look talking about Jeremy or any one person is not the issue , its about the way we live the way we are programmed , surely you can see this
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Not answering my question. People or profit?
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There is nothing wrong with profit providing it does not become worship , usually it takes people to make any profit
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They will need to Complete Their Investigations ASAP and Knock it Down ,it will be like a Giant specter over the local Community and areas..
How Bad must it have been That People were throwing children From the Windows |
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The problem casemoney will be how many more buildings are vulnerable.
What do you do if you live in a similar construction? Sit and hope? Terrible tragedy here and a nightmare in the making for others. I heard someone comment on the children being thrown, sad beyond words. |
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Yeah sorry aka but have to agree with anxious, look at Diane Abbott slumping it in a £53,000 Mercedes Jeremy and co have a lot in common with the have nots
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What amazes me is how this was passed by building control, we currently have the builders in doing an extension front and back of our property. At the front of the house the foundations are to a depth of one meter while the original building sits on fifteen inches at best ! To the rear we're going to have to go down two meters because our neighbors have a small bay tree and we have a small pear tree. A ridiculous amount of overkill ! If there was an earthquake our house would fall down leaving the extensions
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A partridge on a Pear tree , how qaint
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Every Tory should have one
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Yes a kind of status symbol , perhaps a 50 pound note would be more apt
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Don't deal in small change
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Oh dear
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Thats the problem with the tories they know the price of everything and the value of nothing
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conditor it's just a bit of banter between me and anxious although given the gravity of the situation maybe this is not the best thread for it. And for the record I live on a very modest income due to ill health and can't be ar$ed to get out of bed for the pittance I'd be paid
PS that's not benefits I don't rely on the state for an income. |
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On yer bike yer left wing twonk
took that political test again the other night. Last time my views were aligned with Plaid Cmyru, apparently I'm still centre left  |
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Right better go and see if the builders (working class oiks) want another cuppa
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I'll answer your question akabula!
People or Profit? Most big companies go on about how their biggest asset if their workforce. Then they screw them at every opportuity they can so to answer your question They profit by screwing their people Q.E.D! |
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Bread of Heaven
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what people in construction,black trade industries call life saving regulations ,mp,s and business quaintly call it red tape,tyhe sort of red tape they want to burn in a huge bonfire when we leave the eu,heard yesterday that vastly quickly overated ,over promoted barwell who,s sitting on a report exposing all this stuff,has a rule that you can only implement a new safety rule if you drop 3 others or as our mp,s quaintly call it ,you can only introduce a new layer of red tape if you drop 3 previous layers of red tape,or for the sake of starting an argument you could call red tape peoples lives
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