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Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
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1st tp, I don't know if that fire involved exterior panels or not. But there will be hundreds of small fires a year safely contained under the old rules I would think. You can't really evacuate a whole block every time that happens.
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minimum standards and mr barwell sand torys could be sat on a report saying minimum standards mean sfa in the grand scheme of things,basicaly your safe as long as there isn't a fire
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never thought i would agree with jon snow
he said yesterday how about emergency legislation NOW Good point coz another one could go up anytime anywhere have you heard the geezer going on about another fire at the bottom (not sure if it was this one or just a local high rise) a great deal of concern over it etc etc apparently they went to the council about it but nowt was done |
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lawyer in last flat fire in London said on newsnight public inquiry is not the route government jumped on this enquiry because it gives them chance to bury it,she said inquests were far better troute top the truth
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I know a few people living in blocks like these, and they would never take advice from some spotty oik working in council offices who has 'been on a course, When visiting a friend once the Chief fire officer was giving a talk on this very subject in the common area for residents we both had a listen to what he had to say. STAY IN YOUR APARTMENT!
Because of my previous experience in fire retardant systems around the world, I told him to get up to speed and stop giving this nonsensical advice, as it's only designed to slow the fire that will get you eventually if it's near your floor, so it may save a few lives at the expense of others. those above have little chance and the fire you delay is more likely to help anyone below you, your floor being their ceiling!, but if those below can get out they should anyway and not stay put. These 'experts' won't be told. They quote useless fire regs and drills, in a perfect world that would be great wouldn't it. FFS. BTW when I asked went was the last time the block had been checked he refused to answer, I was asked to leave. |
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There's a lot more technical to the above but my typing is painfully slow, sorry.
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apparently the guardian has been upsetting the tories - and being offensive - well I never
apparently tory mps are taking a fence - well suck it up - look at that barwell - totally blanks sky - it is the arrogance that the tory lot are showing should he have just said its bad what has happened and we need to sort it out etc instead of marching by at least we know he has nothing to be ashamed of cough!! cough!!! |
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I doubt anyone will brought to book over this. As we already know the acceleraant is legal! Using a ladder on a building site could get you sent home for the day!
Who makes the rules, for whom and why! I am convinced the wrap was put on for cosmetic reasons under cover of insulation. Fire resistent panels would have cost only £5,000 for the whole building? Where are the Armed Police with guns? |
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I've just heard of anger being directed at media people. Good, they have seemed very keen to whip up displays of anger in this instance. As keen as they were to stifle any after the recent horrors.
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I know a few people living in blocks like these, and they would never take advice from some spotty oik working in council offices who has 'been on a course, When visiting a friend once the Chief fire officer was giving a talk on this very subject in the common area for residents we both had a listen to what he had to say. STAY IN YOUR APARTMENT!
Because of my previous experience in fire retardant systems around the world, I told him to get up to speed and stop giving this nonsensical advice, as it's only designed to slow the fire that will get you eventually if it's near your floor, so it may save a few lives at the expense of others. those above have little chance and the fire you delay is more likely to help anyone below you, your floor being their ceiling!, but if those below can get out they should anyway and not stay put. These 'experts' won't be told. |
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They quote useless fire regs and drills, in a perfect world that would be great wouldn't it. FFS. BTW when I asked went was the last time the block had been checked he refused to answer, I was asked to leave.
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boris attacks khan over cuts and having a pop at emergency services,
surely boris isn't that thick that he thinks there on about firemen on the ground,surely we,re on about cuts in the back office that may have reduced the checks on fire certs,time for extensive and quality checking before certs are given etc, maybe he is thst thivck |
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Would a stay put policy be more likely when there is a lack of stairwells? Powers that be fearing crushing etc in a relatively minor fire would be far more likely than this type of catastrophic event?
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I re-posted that as it took me 5 mins to post.
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you have to undestand that the journos are right in with parliamen/civil service and the whole system
they dare not say too much out of line looks like the gauardian may have "!!!! but these sky lot are way too soft journalism went west years ago |
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Protest march has reached Kensingon Town Hall!
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that posh councillor is on again the one who was described as a trouble maker
they have even lied about the number of complaints its all about private housing and gentrification and tower was rather scruffy check out paget brown the council leader now blaming the tenants they didnt want sprinklers he says and will they be put in jail no chance |
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If you go up the Edgware Road just past Maida Vale and Kilburn Park Road there are a number of low rise flats that have been boarded up. the tenants are going to be moved out of London and then refurbished. I dont know if they are going to be sold to developers but it is going on all over London.
These poor people are going to be moved out of the Borough they call home. I think they have lost enough already and should be rehoused in the same area if they want. |
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Oh the March hasn't started yet but there are plenty of peopel and news crews there already.
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Whisperingdeath, It started 31 years ago big time and has been relentless since.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal |
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most don't vote tory I would guess so why would the tory lot be bothered anyway
just give it lip service and keep taking the money, the expenses and the company positions they can have after politics one or two already sit on boards of companies involved in building and renting |
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BTF, to add to your comments...
I used to work in the chemicals industry and we had regular fire drills in order to train everyone to evacuate the building in an orderly fashion whenever the fire alarm sounded. We were also instructed that when staying in a hotel, to immediately check the fire escape route so that one could react quickly should there be a fire. It seems insane to tell people to stay put in the building when they could just walk out and rendezvous in a safe area. |
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4000 high rise blocks around the country with all the residents on at their MPs
I dont think the tory government has the fight to hold em off |
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Absolutely Foinaven.
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paget brown will want the water cannon back!!! all the great unwashed who didn't vote for him are going to get it!!!
this kant should be locked up for the lies he is spreading |
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is this what the upset the tory lot when they posted this
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/manufacturer-of-cladding-on-grenfell-tower-identified-as-omnis-exteriors |
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It is the regs isn't it
In the UK there are no regulations requiring the use of fire-retardant material in cladding used on the exterior of tower blocks and schools. But the Fire Protection Association (FPA), an industry body, has been pushing for years for the government to make it a statutory requirement for local authorities and companies to use only fire-retardant material. Jim Glocking, technical director of the FPA, said it had “lobbied long and hard” for building regulations on the issue to be tightened, but nothing had happened. |
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From the guardian
interesting reading 'SHELTER' you really couldn't make it up!! The company also paid a dividend of £950,000 to its sole shareholder, an investment group specialising in construction companies called Xerxes Equity. The chairman of Xerxes and its largest shareholder is the corporate grandee Tony Rice, who is a former chief executive of the telecoms multinational Cable & Wireless and is also a trustee of the housing charity Shelter. |
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From the guardian
interesting reading 'SHELTER' you really couldn't make it up!! The company also paid a dividend of £950,000 to its sole shareholder, an investment group specialising in construction companies called Xerxes Equity. The chairman of Xerxes and its largest shareholder is the corporate grandee Tony Rice, who is a former chief executive of the telecoms multinational Cable & Wireless and is also a trustee of the housing charity Shelter. |
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how the feck do u get on the council list in london , normal joe bloggs couldnt afford a flat nevermind a house , had to sack a 2 day break off train ticket virgin sale cos the hotel prices were crazy , 300 quid a night
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each time I click on an on line site I find yet another organisation who had warned about these matters
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This is going to get ugly tonight,
I can see rioting and looting ahead. |
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looks between 70 and 80 dead that is really horrific
this is just so so bad and the kants who are responsible for all this will be up and away and then there is that **** barwell - wouldn't even reply to questions this morning and he was a housing minister previously too who the fk sat on all this stuff years ago |
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Plenty of Council Sick Notes Coming Next Week
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the leader has blamed the tenants - how would you feel if you had been continually ignored?
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all this has at least confirmed ones opinion of London been a right old shoitehole and hell hole on earth,couldnt imagine a worse place to live,hope that little boy given khan a hard time yesterday was taken to one side and given a clip and told to learn some respect
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London looks great in my rear view mirror every time I finish a visit my Daughters family.
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I used to be very active in the party for decades. I am only a member now and inactive. This has made me so angry. It is the callous disregard of life and safety of said life that is so appalling. And blaming the tenants by this paget brown bloke.
Maybe I should become active again. But i would have to fall in line behind Khan!!!! |