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The apartment was rented out FOUR times before forensics sealed it off before blood and DNA samples were taken. It was empty for a month and then cleaners were allowed in.
So the dogs who found minute traces of "the smell of death".....in AUGUST...3 months and four families later. |
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Akabula.
It was in her bewk. Jez had to return to uk as no dna in apartment. Not even a toothbrush or hair on a hairbrush. Very strange. |
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All 3 kids shared a toothbrush (apparently)
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Was this the same smell of death on kates chefs trousers that she never washed, cuddle cat that she did wash or the scenic boot that they took a strange trip to huelva sinking sands place in spain. |
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To most people Portugal's state-run orphanages seemed like a safe haven for thousands of children who had been robbed of their parents. They were called the Casa Pia, or Houses of the Pious.
But for an elite paedophile ring, which included a former ambassador and a prominent television celebrity, Casa Pia orphanages were something entirely different. They were supermarkets stocked with children to abuse. Yesterday, at the conclusion of the longest trial in Portugal's history, seven defendants were convicted of using the orphanages to rape and abuse scores of teenage boys in a case that has sent shockwaves through the country's political elite and raised serious concerns over the efficiency of Portugal's judiciary. Six of the seven were given jail terms of between five and 18 years. The trial, in Lisbon's top criminal court, is thought to be the largest ever undertaken by Portugal's court system. Over five and half years, more than 800 witnesses, including 32 alleged victims, gave evidence detailing how a paedophile ring used the orphanages to source children for wealthy and influential clients. The sentencing document alone, of which judges spent most of yesterday reading a summary, runs to 2,000 pages. Two of those found guilty included Carlos Cruz, a popular television chat-show host with 30 years in show business, and Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador once sent home in disgrace from a posting in Germany over allegations that he had been having an improper relationship with a young boy in a park. Their co-defendants included Carlos Silvino, an orphanage driver who would ferry children to paedophile houses; Joao Ferreira Diniz, a prominent doctor who often deliberately picked out deaf and dumb children; Manuel Abrantes, a former deputy principal at an orphanage; solicitor Hugo Marcal and Gertrude Nunes, the only female defendant who allowed her house to be used by the paedophile ring. The successful convictions, eight years after the paedophile scandal was exposed, is a major victory for Portuguese police, under intense criticism over their handling of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. One of the lead detectives in the Casa Pia case, Paulo Rebelo, also investigated the Madeleine McCann disappearance after the original lead investigator was sacked. Rebelo and his team of forensic investigators – called "the cleaners" because they leave no stones unturned – are said to have played a pivotal role in securing the convictions. But the trial was dogged by accusations that witnesses had been intimidated, and allegations that senior politicians turned a blind eye to the abuse to protect friends. Reports that paedophiles were using Casa Pia orphanages to source victims surfaced in the early 1980s but they were swept under the carpet. Teresa Costa Macedo, a senior government official, said she informed the country's then president, General Ramalho Eanes, and provided photographic evidence. But the photographs were "lost" by police and Mrs Macedo said she was also intimidated by phone calls from anonymous callers. "They said they would kill me, flay me and a lot of other things," she recalled. The current trial began in 2004 after a lengthy investigation started by nine boys who had been at one of the homes in Lisbon accused several people of sexual abuse between 1998 and 2001. Their decision to come forward prompted hundreds more witnesses to speak out and has lead to a tripling in the number of child-abuse investigations across Portugal. Victims have told investigators that abuse at Casa Pia orphanages – of which there about 10 around the country – occurred as far back as the 1970s but most witness testimonies used for the trial came from victims who were abused during the 1990s. Prosecutors still believe there are more victims out there too scared to talk. The prosecution's case centred around Silvino, known to the paedophile ring as "Bibi". The 53-year-old confessed to 639 charges relating to the abuse of children or procuring them for others, and testified against the other defendants. He admitted he had used the orphanages to collect victims and delivered them to co-defendants such as Cruz who, Silvino claimed, paid cash. Cruz has denied the accusations and claimed in press interviews during the trial that he was the victim of prejudice from one of the three judges trying the case. Yesterday the 68-year-old dismissed the verdict built on "lies and manipulation", adding: "This is one of the most monstrous judicial mistakes in Portuguese history." He and the other defendents are expected to appeal. It is not clear whether the defendants would be jailed with an appeal pending. Alvaro Carvalho, a psychiatrist who has counselled the victims and was in court with some them yesterday, said they were nervous as they awaited the verdict. "They calmed down when the judge ruled that the crimes were proven," Mr Carvalho told reporters. "In a way, it's society making reparation for what happened to them." Pedro Namora, a former resident of a Casa Pia orphanage who says he was abused, became a lawyer and played a pivotal role in the prosecution. "These men have to be condemned," he said. "They committed barbarous crimes against humanity." The scandal that went right to the top João Ferreira Diniz A wealthy doctor, Diniz was arrested in January 2003 near his office in Belem, Lisbon. He insisted on his innocence throughout the trial. He has been sentenced to seven years in jail after being found guilty of abusing two children. His accusers claimed they had been abused by him at a house in Elvas, owned by co-defendant Gertrude Nunes. Jorge Ritto One of the most high-profile figures to be caught up in Portugal's largest paedophile ring, Ritto was once a career diplomat with a glittering career. He retired in 2002 after serving as Portugal's ambassador to Unesco. During the trial it emerged that he was sent home from a posting in Stuttgart in the early 1980s after allegations surfaced that he had been caught in an "improper relationship" with a boy in a park. He denied all charges in the Casa Pia trial. He was jailed for six years. Carlos Cruz Once voted "Portugal's most popular man", Carlos Cruz has spent three decades as one of the country's most recognisable television personalities. The 68-year-old fronted a number of successful shows during his career in the media and famously married a wife who is three decades his junior. He was arrested in 2003. He has repeatedly alleged that his arrest was the result of "a vendetta". Cruz is now facing a seven-year jail sentence. The trial in numbers 800 witnesses and experts gave evidence in the case. 4,500 people were cared for at Casa Pia homes for children in need. 639 crimes were confessed to by ex-Casa Pia driver Carlos Silvino. 2,000 pages: the length of the sentencing document. 32 victims were identified during the near six-year trial. ___ Looks like this is rife in portugal. |
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The research, published in journal PLOS ONE, found 37 per cent of parents and step-parents who killed their children were suffering from some form of mental illness and 12% had been in contact with mental health services within a year of the offence.
Other key findings from the research were that 23% of female perpetrators were teenagers at the time of the child victim’s birth Overall, fathers were significantly more likely to kill their children than mothers, and were more likely to use violent methods of killing, have previous convictions for violent offences, perpetrate multiple killings, and have a history of substance misuse or dependence. Of the 297 total filicide cases recorded during the 10 year period, the study found 13% of perpetrators took their own life after killing their child;known as filicide-suicide. ........ None of them apply |
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According to data published by USA Today in 2014 on the same topic, on average, 450 children are killed every year by their parents
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Shrewd dude.
Someone cleaned every trace of a young girls DNA away that had been living in that apartment. This is a fact NOBODY can argue with. I'd argue it. Have you made that up or where did you get it from? |
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Not saying the smell of death did no emit from Kate McCann's clothing, she did work with 6 bodies 2 weeks prior to the holiday, but sending in the sniffer dogs 3 months later when 11 people during that time live there and how many just before the McCann's arrived? it was a holiday apartment inteded for short stays after all, have the previous tenants also been interviewed/investigated ?
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In 2014-15, according to a report by Action Against Abduction, there were 1,141 cases, including 618 non-parental abduction attempts across England, Wales and Northern Ireland, according to Action Against Abduction
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Yes scan thats why a lot of dodgy people go there or live there.
I think its just a smokescreen myself. |
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It is likely that Gerry had to return to Rothley to collect the pillowcase so the Pj could have an uncontaminated piece of DNA. It is possible of course that toothbrushes could have been mixed up. There is no evidence in the PJ files that the apartment was cleaned from top to bottom.
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People don't want to ackowledge the pa3do ring operating in Portugal's "high ranking society"
doesn't fit into their agenda. |
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"Statistics alone show abductions are incredibly rare. And with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that she was abducted (aside of course from a missing girl); statistically she is far more likely to have met her fate within the confides of the apartment. "
The stuff that I've found suggest that assertion is bollox. The opposite seems true |
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People accuse me of wanting to supress their opinions, when in fact it is MY posts that keep getting deleted so half the conversations are gone as happened yesterday, those articles are publish in national newspapers so if they are deleted again, the people who accuse me of stiffling their opinions can't say any thing, it's not your opinions being deleted.
No doubt they'll be gone tomorrow. night people. |
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That one about the y dead bodies made me laugh too scan. Did she work one or was it two days a week as a locum gp.
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oh look
one of the articles has ALREADY been deleted I pity the people who report them. |
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SH u think it was intentional or an accident?
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maddys death that is
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here is the article published in a national newspaper - again
A ferrari engine makes a deep, distinctive sound. When the children at Portugal's most famous orphanage heard the sports car roaring down the driveway, fear swept through the dormitories. The noise could mean only one thing: the man known as The Doctor was coming to call. Yet this medical practitioner had no intention of adhering to the ancient Hippocratic Oath. Madeleine McCann in hat Instead, arriving at Casa Pia (House of the Pious), a 17th century Lisbon orphanage where more than 4,000 children are cared for each year behind high stone walls, the doctor would summon selected boys and girls from their beds for examinations one night each week. Where possible, he chose deaf-mutes. After checking that the children were not suffering from any sexual infections, the doctor was joined by the orphanage caretaker, known as Bibi, who ushered the unfortunate children outside to a waiting van. With the doctor following in his red Ferrari, Bibi drove the van to the prestigious homes of some of the leading members of Lisbon society - ranging from Portuguese government ministers and high-ranking diplomats, to famous television stars and members of the judiciary. There, the children were repeatedly sexually abused. Some were allegedly drugged to make them compliant; others were plied with alcohol. This continued for years. Assaults were filmed; pictures of one attack were subsequently found at the home of a suspected paedophile in Paris. According to medical records, the victims' injuries were horrific - and consistent with serious sexual assault and rape. In witness statements, many were able to describe in minute detail the homes where they were taken and identifying marks on the bodies of their abusers. The existence of this so-called "magic circle" of the Portuguese establishment, allegedly involved in an international paedophile ring using boys and girls from Casa Pia, was last week likened to an earthquake waiting to shake Portugal to its foundations. New allegations about the scale of the network will be put before the country's highest court within the next few weeks. Amid rumours of links to other paedophile gangs across Europe and the U.S., international experts on child sex crimes and murders are expected to be in court when the case re-opens, four years after a group of victims broke a silence lasting more than 30 years. But what relevance does this have to the disappearance 170 days ago of four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz, about 280km from Lisbon? And what does it mean for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not only had to cope with losing their child, but have also been subjects of a vicious campaign in the Portuguese press to smear them? It is crucial for two reasons; first because it proves what international crime agencies have long suspected: that Portugal has become a magnet for predatory paedophiles from around the world, using the country's lax laws and preying on the high numbers of poor, abandoned children. And second, because Paulo Rebelo, an urbane, methodical detective who led the Casa Pia paedophile inquiry, was last night finishing his first week as the new chief of the investigation into the disappearance of the British child. Rebelo has replaced Goncalo Amaral, the "oafish" local police chief out of his depth in a case that has captured unprecedented world attention, with millions fascinated by the story of the girl snatched from her bed on holiday while her parents ate with friends 200 yards away. |
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There was none of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment , the police had to get it from her home in England .
So how can that be. Either she was never in the apartment or someone cleaned it very thoroughly after she was gone. |
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The article about Kate coming into contact with dead bodies came out after Eddie and Keela foun DNa. This was first reported by Kates' mother. Funnily enough she took Cuddle cat to work with her.
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So why would paedo rings take an orphan or a homeless kid that would not be missed when they could kidnap a child from her holiday apartment and cause a massive international story.
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There was none of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment , the police had to get it from her home in England . So how can that be. Either she was never in the apartment or someone cleaned it very thoroughly after she was gone. That's nonsense Tobe. There was no DNA they could find that they knew for a fact was Madelienes. It's not like watching CSI. it doesn't just glow in the dark with the name Maddie on it. To rule out any of her DNA being in that apartment is impossible. You can't see cellular DNA. This is simply a naivety in terms of DNA. They got DNA from her home in England as a reference sample beause they knew it would contain her DNA and had no chance of being cross contaminated by being a reference sample from a 'crime scene'. |
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According to USA Today there were 450 cases of parents killing their children. Over the same period in a separate study in the UK there were 614 non parental child abduction attempts. The USA has 5 times the population of the UK and its murder rate is 4 times that of the UK.
Further studies show that the "at risk" demographics of parents who kill their children are those with mental illness, teenagers, have convictions for violent offences, and went on to commit suicide. |
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Mines a cuddle dog actually
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What have you been drinking now 616 non parental abductions is rare. Its 1 in 100000 about the same as the UK murder rate and we dont even know how many of thoses 616 were abducted do we. Any way just check aaa charity website. Probably only people it benifits are the board. It say 200 non parental abductions attempts in 2011 AND 2012 with 50 actual abductions. Much lower then what you say. So 25 per year about the same as people dying from falling trees according to the DEATHS FROM FALLING TREES CHARITY website. |
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A week ago I knew nothing at all about this case other than it was all over the media and the child is still missing. The more I increase my knowledge about the case, the more I think they are innocent.
The only evidence I can see that casts doubt is the sniffer dogs and the bin/landfill theory which makes it feasible. There is an awful lot of cobblers around from those that think they are guilty. |
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They got dna from her home in the UK because there was non in the apartment. If it was there they would have used it.it would have been good enough. Someone a couple of weeks ago got convicted of rape after 20 years after a scuffle outside his home. His dna was taken and on a cold case review his dna matched. |
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They got dna from her home in the UK because there was non in the apartment. If it was there they would have used it.it would have been good enough. Someone a couple of weeks ago got convicted of rape after 20 years after a scuffle outside his home. His dna was taken and on a cold case review his dna matched. How do you know there wasn't any in the apartment? No they wouldn't have used it. Again how would they know it was Madelienes DNA? As i've said it doesn't light up saying "hi, I'm Mad's DNA'. So they would have to take it from a source they are sure is hers e.g a source away from a crime scene.Particularly if it's a reference sample. |
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There wasn't any because they got it from the UK.there was still none in the apartment when they got her dna from the UK because it was cross matched obviously with all dna from the apartment and there was none there apart from the partial DNA match from the blood found under the tile behind the sofa.
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Why did the McCanns take a photo of Maddies pyjamas yet seemingly hardly any of the holiday?
Doesn't make much sense does it? |
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Fact is, they went out on the p1ss and left 3 children alone
Ps, who was on the royal yacht Britannia which was stationed nearby? Eventually, someone will get it |
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There wasn't any because they got it from the UK.there was still none in the apartment when they got her dna from the UK because it was cross matched obviously with all dna from the apartment and there was none there apart from the partial DNA match from the blood found under the tile behind the sofa.
If you can post a source then please do. At the moment it sounds like you have no idea how DNA works and are just saying there was no DNA because they got the reference sample from the UK. As I've said it doesn't just glow in the dark and say Maddie so why wouldn't you get the DNA reference sample from the UK??? |
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Noone said it glows in the dark. Tbere was a part match from the blood under the tile as i said.
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