scandanavian_haven
     05 Feb 17 10:37

Maybe I don't know all of the intricate details...

At least you're honest in admitting to your obvious lack of knowledge regarding this case.

I've never claimed to be an 'expert' on the case, nor have I given an opinion on what happened, but I have watched a lot of the documentaries and read the sites dedicated to trying to establish the facts surrounding the case.

The links I've posted I thought were relevant to the discussion. If you and your pals can't be 'rsed to watch them, that's your prerogative.

There are people who have looked into this a lot deeper than you or I have, but feel free to pass yourself off as an 'expert' on the case...

why do you claim that I have never watched them, George B?

What have I said that indicates this?

You might not claim to be an expert, but you insult Scandi's knowlegede of the case, as if somehow you see your knowledge as superior to his.  I see zero evidence of this.  Frankly you need t be a little gullible to becme attached to RDH's long winded sensationalism, as you seem to be.

I believe Gerry's brother called Sky in the early hours. For umpteen reasons this case took on a life of it's own.

1st time poster....many things are ratified, it's easy to google and check.  The stuff about the ready assembled photos is garbage, why propagate nonsense like this?  Also, if  recall corectly, and I havent double checked this, initially one of the staff printed off the photos in their own room.

itcanbedone
     05 Feb 17 12:16

why do you claim that I have never watched them, George B?
What have I said that indicates this?

You said you'd put it "all to bed" on this thread, yes, umpteen hours of detail on those documentaries, and you've "put to bed" all of it. As I said, you're an expert!

The reason I post those links is so people can consider for themselves, the in-depth investigative work some people have undertaken to try and establish the facts of the case, rather than listening to people like you or me posting 'noise' on an internet forum. Hth.

George I've already told you, whatever is written in these blogs, shown in these videos and however suspect the McCanns look, there is zero hard evidence of thier guilt, none. If there was they'd be arrests, but according to the conspiracy nutjiobs they rationalise this by saying they have huge influence over the police and media, "they know too much", they've convinced themselves.


They've written books, they've sued the Portugese Police officer Goncarlo Amaro, the've appeared in dozens and dozens of interviews, they've hired detectives, appeared in documentaries.....

All the hallmarks of innoncent people.

Why would they do all of that if they were guilty, it can't be a huge game of double bluff, the stakes are too high, they have done everything to draw attention to the fact their child went missing, which is what any normal parent would do.

If you want to put blame somewhere, look at the Portuguese police, a bunch of cowboys, they trampled all over the evidence from the start and botched the investigation, they were highly criticsed by British criminal investigators too.

And the fool Amaral, he has a very dodgy past, people have all ready come out to talk about how heavy handed he was with them in the preceeding years and how he tries to force people to say what he wants them to say, look it up. Then he sells a book called the truth of the lie  (making money from the supposed death of a child, very classy) and people take his word as gospel. LOL.

if we believe theres no lies,no coluding,no involvement at all from the tapas 7 and its an abduction,murder the same questions arise,
motive.
no forensics
no body
nothing in a quiet holiday resort and nothing since
all imo just as unlikely as the tapas 7 involvement in some way,thats before we get invloved with government,priests,pope,s tv stations,hob nobbing spokesmen etc,etc

I am sticking to the facts and trying to be rational and ojbective, George.  Hardly noise, but if you are looking for the noise, it's all there in your attention seeking Shock Jock links.

wherever they hid the body they've done a good job, kate will crack eventually for sure

If the abduction was staged why would Gerry have said that when he checked he saw the children fine and the door moved ?
( yes I know some think he may have done this to pretend that he was there and the intruder was hiding )

But why not just say the obvious thing, he checked, everything was fine
Then if Kate was next to check she would say on entering the apt she noticed the patio/ bedroom door open
and Madeleine gone

Or if Kate was not next to check and it was one of the friends Gerry would have left the bedroom door open for the next person to find.

Why if staging the abduction would he put himself there at the same time as the intruder ?
there is no difference as to whether there was an abduction between him saying the door was moved or Kate saying the door was moved later , when Madeleine was gone

Why would someone who had staged an abduction say he was there at the time and not somewhere else if there is no value or benefit in saying it ?

Why would he say he was at the scene of the abduction when it was taking place , and heard or saw nothing .
if there is no benefit in him having been there if all he noticed was the door moved
When Kate, or the next person could have said that

This is something that someone staging an abuduction would not do,

It doesn't make sense for Gerry to say the door had moved, there is no benefit in saying that

He would only say that if it wasn't staged, and that the McCanns weren't staging an abduction
But it was real and he was telling the truth

People love to get outraged by bad parenting it gives them an opportunity to tell everyone what a wonderful parent they are.....chuck in a Agatha Christie type mystery and its double bubble!

No one guilty of staging an abduction would put themselves at the apt at the same time as the intruder

They would put themselves elsewhere

That is why Gerry description is one that no one staging an abduction would say

And that is why his description of what he found must be the truth

I think you maybe on coke 

Nothing else matters, forget all the many theories,
The McCanns must be innocent
The description that Gerry gave when he checked the apt must be true
It is not a question of believing him
What he said could only have been said if he was innocent
It could not have been said by someone staging an abduction as I have explained
Read back over everything , look at it  again

This is the crux of it.
The words were said
It doesn't matter if we believe them to be true or not
they could not have been said by someone guilty
they would only be said by someone innocent
these are the words that Gerry said .

itcanbedone, OK, you're the man who puts stuff to bed, so let's take an aspect of the case and put it to bed!

We'll consider the photo's of Madeline that week (or should that be the lack of them?)

5 of them?

So we've got the three where she's wearing the clothes she had on at the airport, leading observers to think those photo's were probably taken on the Saturday they arrived or Sunday at the latest.

We have the tennis balls photo, which leads to obvious questions such as:

1. Where are all the other kids, parents and tennis coach?
2. Why only the one photo of that tennis session?
2. Why did more than one person claim to have taken the photo?
3. Did Kate really run all the way back to apartment to grab her camera while Madeline held that pose?
4. Why was Madeline holding full size tennis balls when presumably the kids would have used the lighter spongier balls?

And there's the 'final' photo beside the pool:

1. Some have examined the weather records from that week and suggested Sunday would have been the last day where it was warm and sunny for long enough to have been sat around the pool in shades and light summer clothing, particularly as Thursday was apparently cloudy and on the cooler side.
2. Why did it take 3 weeks to come up with the photo?

And other questions such as:
1. Why wasn't that photo handed to the police initially along with the others, and why were there only 3 colour ones amongst a load of black and white, hard to distinguish ones, given to police?

So 6 days of holiday, but apparently just ? 5 colour photo's and 2 of them open seemingly to question, and the lack of holiday snaps leading some to question, along with a glut of other stuff, if Madeline was still alive after the Sunday.

So we're both agreed, you've put nothing to bed.